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A man cannot will to will, or will to will to will, so the idea of a voluntary will is absurd [Hobbes]
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Full Idea:
The will is not voluntary: for a man can no more say he will will, than he will will will, and so make an infinite repetition of the word 'will', which is absurd and insignificant.
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From:
Thomas Hobbes (Human Nature [1640], Ch.XII.5)
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A reaction:
A nice simple point, allied to Nietzsche's notion that thoughts are uncontrollable (Idea 2291). Even Aquinas, who is quite a fan of free will, spotted the problem (Idea 1854). Personally I agree with Hobbes. Free will is a shibboleth.
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Liberty and necessity are consistent, as when water freely flows, by necessity [Hobbes]
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Full Idea:
Liberty and necessity are consistent: as in the water, that hath not only liberty, but a necessity of descending by the channel.
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From:
Thomas Hobbes (Leviathan [1651], II.Ch.XI)
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A reaction:
Hume asserts something similar (Idea 2223), but they both miss the point, which is that libertarians about water would have to believe it didn't need to follow gravity, but could refuse to flow. Freedom of will and freedom of action are quite different.
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