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12034 | If the universe was cyclical, totally indiscernible events might occur from time to time [Adams,RM] |
Full Idea: There is a temporal argument for the possibility of non-identical indiscernibles, if there could be a cyclical universe, in which each event was preceded and followed by infinitely many other events qualitatively indiscernible from itself. | |
From: Robert Merrihew Adams (Primitive Thisness and Primitive Identity [1979], 3) | |
A reaction: The argument is a parallel to Max Black's indiscernible spheres in space. Adams offers the reply that time might be tightly 'curved', so that the repetition was indeed the same event again. |
14510 | Two events might be indiscernible yet distinct, if there was a universe cyclical in time [Adams,RM] |
Full Idea: Similar to the argument from spatial dispersal, we can argue against the Identity of Indiscernibles from temporal dispersal. It seems there could be a cyclic universe, ..and thus there could be distinct but indiscernible events, separated temporally. | |
From: Robert Merrihew Adams (Primitive Thisness and Primitive Identity [1979], 3) | |
A reaction: See Idea 14509 for spatial dispersal. If cosmologists decided that a cyclical universe was incoherent, would that ruin the argument? Presumably there might even be indistinguishable events in the one universe (in principle!). |
16455 | Black's two globes might be one globe in highly curved space [Adams,RM] |
Full Idea: If God creates a globe reached by travelling two diameters in a straight line from another globe, this can be described as two globes in Euclidean space, or a single globe in a tightly curved non-Euclidean space. | |
From: Robert Merrihew Adams (Primitive Thisness and Primitive Identity [1979], 3) | |
A reaction: [my compression of Adams's version of Hacking's response to Black, as spotted by Stalnaker] Hence we save the identity of indiscernibles, by saying we can't be sure that two indiscernibles are not one thing, unusually described. |