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Full Idea
It is impossible for a proponent of both sets and abstracts to identify the abstracts, in any reasonable manner, with the sets.
Gist of Idea
Abstracts cannot be identified with sets
Source
Kit Fine (The Limits of Abstraction [2002], IV.1)
Book Ref
Fine,Kit: 'The Limits of Abstraction' [OUP 2008], p.172
A Reaction
[This observation emerges from a proof Fine has just completed] Cf Idea 10137. The implication is that there is no compromise view available, and one must choose between abstraction or sets as one's account of numbers and groups of concepts.
Related Idea
Idea 10137 Abstractionism can be regarded as an alternative to set theory [Fine,K]
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| 8910 | General and universal are not real entities, but useful inventions of the mind, concerning words or ideas [Locke] |
| 6717 | Abstract ideas are impossible [Berkeley] |
| 7700 | We can't think about the abstract idea of triangles, but only of particular triangles [Hume] |
| 8911 | If abstracta are non-mental, quarks are abstracta, and yet chess and God's thoughts are mental [Rosen on Frege] |
| 8634 | The equator is imaginary, but not fictitious; thought is needed to recognise it [Frege] |
| 8960 | Internal questions about abstractions are trivial, and external ones deeply problematic [Carnap, by Szabó] |
| 10136 | Points in Euclidean space are abstract objects, but not introduced by abstraction [Fine,K] |
| 10144 | Postulationism says avoid abstract objects by giving procedures that produce truth [Fine,K] |
| 10145 | Abstracts cannot be identified with sets [Fine,K] |
| 12212 | Just as we introduced complex numbers, so we introduced sums and temporal parts [Fine,K] |
| 4239 | Nominalists deny abstract objects, because we can have no reason to believe in their existence [Lowe] |
| 14592 | Some abstract things have a beginning and end, so may exist in time (though not space) [Swoyer] |