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Single Idea 11091

[filed under theme 9. Objects / E. Objects over Time / 8. Continuity of Rivers ]

Full Idea

You can bathe in the same river twice, but not in the same river stage.

Gist of Idea

You can bathe in the same river twice, but not in the same river stage

Source

comment on Heraclitus (fragments/reports [c.500 BCE]) by Willard Quine - Identity, Ostension, and Hypostasis 1

Book Ref

Quine,Willard: 'From a Logical Point of View' [Harper and Row 1963], p.65


A Reaction

This seems to make Quine a 'perdurantist', committed to time-slices of objects, rather than whole objects enduring through change.


The 9 ideas with the same theme [is a river the same as the water in the river?]:

You can bathe in the same river twice, but not in the same river stage [Quine on Heraclitus]
It is not possible to step twice into the same river [Heraclitus]
Cratylus said you couldn't even step into the same river once [Cratylus, by Aristotle]
A thing is (less properly) the same over time if each part is succeeded by another [Buridan]
It is the same river if it has the same source, no matter what flows in it [Hobbes]
We accept the identity of a river through change, because it is the river's nature [Hume]
Humeans cannot step in the same river twice, because they cannot strictly form the concept of 'river' [Harré/Madden]
One can step into the same river twice, but not into the same water [Benardete,JA]
A river is not just event; it needs actual and counterfactual boundaries [Williamson]