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Single Idea 12132

[filed under theme 9. Objects / A. Existence of Objects / 5. Individuation / a. Individuation ]

Full Idea

Enduring objects should be taken as fundamental in an ontology, and for all such objects indiscernibility is both a necessary and sufficient condition for identity.

Clarification

'Indiscernibility' is not being able to tell them apart

Gist of Idea

Indiscernibility is a necessary and sufficient condition for identity

Source

Baruch Brody (Identity and Essence [1980], 3)

Book Ref

Brody,Baruch: 'Identity and Essence' [Princeton 1980], p.43


A Reaction

Brody offers a substantial defence, but I don't find it plausible. Apart from Black's well known twin spheres example (Idea 10195), discernibility is relative to the powers of the observer. Two similar people in the mist aren't thereby identical.

Related Idea

Idea 10195 If the universe just held two indiscernibles spheres, that refutes the Identity of Indiscernibles [Black]


The 13 ideas from 'Identity and Essence'

Brody bases sortal essentialism on properties required throughout something's existence [Brody, by Mackie,P]
A sortal essence is a property which once possessed always possessed [Brody, by Mackie,P]
Maybe essential properties are those which determine a natural kind? [Brody]
a and b share all properties; so they share being-identical-with-a; so a = b [Brody]
Indiscernibility is a necessary and sufficient condition for identity [Brody]
Interrupted objects have two first moments of existence, which could be two beginnings [Brody]
Identity across possible worlds is prior to rigid designation [Brody]
De re essentialism standardly says all possible objects identical with a have a's essential properties [Brody]
Modern emphasis is on properties had essentially; traditional emphasis is on sort-defining properties [Brody]
Mereological essentialism says that every part that ensures the existence is essential [Brody]
Essentially, a has P, always had P, must have had P, and has never had a future without P [Brody]
An object having a property essentially is equivalent to its having it necessarily [Brody]
Essentialism is justified if the essential properties of things explain their other properties [Brody]