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Single Idea 12524

[filed under theme 19. Language / B. Reference / 3. Direct Reference / c. Social reference ]

Full Idea

We have nothing else to refer these our ideas of mixed modes to as standard, to which we would conform them, but the ideas of those who are thought to use those names in their most proper significations.

Clarification

Locke's 'mixed modes' are complex ideas built up from simple ones

Gist of Idea

For the correct reference of complex ideas, we can only refer to experts

Source

John Locke (Essay Conc Human Understanding (2nd Ed) [1694], 2.32.12)

Book Ref

Locke,John: 'Essay Concerning Human Understanding', ed/tr. Nidditch,P.H. [OUP 1979], p.388


A Reaction

This is Putnam's thought about elm trees, that he uses the word 'elm' to refer to something the reference of which is fixed by experts on trees, and not by his ignorant self.


The 12 ideas with the same theme [reference fixed by persons beyond the speaker]:

For the correct reference of complex ideas, we can only refer to experts [Locke]
A word's meaning is the thing conceived, as fixed by linguistic experts [Reid]
Reference is mainly a social phenomenon [Strawson,P, by Sainsbury]
We need to recognise the contribution of society and of the world in determining reference [Putnam]
Maybe the total mental state of a language community fixes the reference of a term [Putnam]
Neither individual nor community mental states fix reference [Putnam]
Reference (say to 'elms') is a social phenomenon which we can leave to experts [Putnam]
Aristotle implies that we have the complete concepts of a language in our heads, but we don't [Putnam]
Kripke makes reference a largely social matter, external to the mind of the speaker [Kripke, by McGinn]
Kripke's theory is important because it gives a collective account of reference [Kripke, by Putnam]
We refer through the community, going back to the original referent [Kripke]
A description may fix a reference even when it is not true of its object [Kripke]