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Single Idea 13215

[filed under theme 9. Objects / E. Objects over Time / 10. Beginning of an Object ]

Full Idea

There is 'alteration' when the substratum is perceptible and persists, but changes in its own properties. ...But when nothing perceptible persists in its identity as a substratum, and the thing changes as a whole, it is coming-to-be of a substance.

Gist of Idea

If a perceptible substratum persists, it is 'alteration'; coming-to-be is a complete change

Source

Aristotle (Coming-to-be and Passing-away (Gen/Corr) [c.335 BCE], 319b11-17)

Book Ref

Aristotle: 'The Basic Works of Aristotle', ed/tr. McKeon,Richard [Modern Library Classics 2001], p.484


A Reaction

[compressed] Note that a substratum can be perceptible - it isn't just some hidden mystical I-know-not-what (as Locke calls it). This whole text is a wonderful source on the subject of physical change. Note too the reliance on what is perceptible.


The 9 ideas with the same theme [coming-to-be of a substance or object]:

Substance is not created or destroyed in mortals, but there is only mixing and exchange [Empedocles]
Does the pure 'this' come to be, or the 'this-such', or 'so-great', or 'somewhere'? [Aristotle]
Philosophers have worried about coming-to-be from nothing pre-existing [Aristotle]
The substratum changing to a contrary is the material cause of coming-to-be [Aristotle]
If a perceptible substratum persists, it is 'alteration'; coming-to-be is a complete change [Aristotle]
Coming-to-be may be from nothing in a qualified way, as arising from an absence [Aristotle]
Generation is when local motions aggregate to become a single subject [Nicholas of Autrecourt]
Suppose a world where I'm from different gametes; add my gametes; which one is more me? [McGinn]
Weak ex nihilo says it all comes from something; strong version says the old must partly endure [Pasnau]