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Single Idea 13494

[filed under theme 4. Formal Logic / F. Set Theory ST / 5. Conceptions of Set / e. Iterative sets ]

Full Idea

That the iterative sets suffice for most of ZFC does not show they are necessary, nor is it evident that the set of operations has no fixed points (as 0 is a fixed point for square-of), and no infinitely descending chains (like negative integers).

Clarification

ZFC is the Zermelo-Fraenkel-with Choice system

Gist of Idea

The iterative conception may not be necessary, and may have fixed points or infinitely descending chains

Source

William D. Hart (The Evolution of Logic [2010], 3)

Book Ref

Hart,W.D.: 'The Evolution of Logic' [CUP 2010], p.80


A Reaction

People don't seem to worry that they aren't 'necessary', and further measures are possible to block infinitely descending chains.


The 15 ideas with the same theme [sets as a well-founded hierarchy built from scratch]:

The iterative conception says sets are formed at stages; some are 'earlier', and must be formed first [Boolos]
The iterative conception may not be necessary, and may have fixed points or infinitely descending chains [Hart,WD]
The set hierarchy doesn't rely on the dubious notion of 'generating' them [Mayberry]
There is no stage at which we can take all the sets to have been generated [Fine,K]
The Iterative Conception says everything appears at a stage, derived from the preceding appearances [Maddy]
Russell's paradox shows that there are classes which are not iterative sets [Shapiro]
It is central to the iterative conception that membership is well-founded, with no infinite descending chains [Shapiro]
Iterative sets are not Boolean; the complement of an iterative set is not an iterative sets [Shapiro]
The 'iterative' view says sets start with the empty set and build up [Brown,JR]
In the iterative conception of sets, they form a natural hierarchy [Swoyer]
Nowadays we derive our conception of collections from the dependence between them [Potter]
The iterative conception of set wasn't suggested until 1947 [Lavine]
The iterative conception needs the Axiom of Infinity, to show how far we can iterate [Lavine]
The iterative conception doesn't unify the axioms, and has had little impact on mathematical proofs [Lavine]
The iterative conception has to appropriate Replacement, to justify the ordinals [Hossack]