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Single Idea 14056

[filed under theme 22. Metaethics / C. The Good / 3. Pleasure / c. Value of pleasure ]

Full Idea

We are in need of pleasure only when we are in pain because of the absence of pleasure, and when we are not in pain, then we no longer need pleasure.

Gist of Idea

We only need pleasure when we have the pain of desire

Source

Epicurus (Letter to Menoeceus [c.291 BCE], 128)

Book Ref

Epicurus: 'The Epicurus Reader', ed/tr. Inwood,B. /Gerson,L. [Hackett 1994], p.30

A Reaction

This Buddhist aspiration to eliminate desire has no appeal for me. It just sounds like a recipe for boredom, and an aversion to risk-taking. Start by asking what is best in life; it inevitably involves pleasure of some sort. Anyway, desire isn't painful.

The 16 ideas from 'Letter to Menoeceus'

14052 Begin philosophy when you are young, and keep going when you are old [Epicurus]
14054 Fearing death is absurd, because we are not present when it occurs [Epicurus]
14053 It is absurd to fear the pain of death when you are not even facing it [Epicurus]
14055 The wisdom that produces a good life also produces a good death [Epicurus]
1833 Pleasure is the first good in life [Epicurus]
14056 We only need pleasure when we have the pain of desire [Epicurus]
14057 All pleasures are good, but it is not always right to choose them [Epicurus]
14058 Pleasure is the goal, but as lack of pain and calm mind, not as depraved or greedy pleasure [Epicurus]
1835 True pleasure is not debauchery, but freedom from physical and mental pain [Epicurus]
14060 Prudence is the greatest good, and more valuable than philosophy, because it produces virtue [Epicurus]
1836 Prudence is more valuable than philosophy, because it avoids confusions of the soul [Epicurus]
14059 The best life is not sensuality, but rational choice and healthy opinion [Epicurus]
1837 We should not refer things to irresponsible necessity, but either to fortune or to our own will [Epicurus]
14061 Our own choices are autonomous, and the basis for praise and blame [Epicurus]
14062 Sooner follow mythology, than accept the 'fate' of natural philosophers [Epicurus]
14063 Sooner a good decision going wrong, than a bad one turning out for the good [Epicurus]