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Single Idea 14069
[filed under theme 9. Objects / B. Unity of Objects / 3. Unity Problems / c. Statue and clay
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Full Idea
To ask meaningfully what that thing would be, we must designate it either as a statue or as a piece of clay. What that thing would be, apart from the way it is designated, is a question without meaning.
Gist of Idea
We can only investigate the identity once we have designated it as 'statue' or as 'clay'
Source
Allan Gibbard (Contingent Identity [1975], III)
Book Ref
-: 'Journal of Symbolic Logic' [-], p.194
A Reaction
He obviously has a powerful point, but to suggest that we can only investigate a mysterious object once we have designated it as something sounds daft. It would ruin the fun of archaeology.
The
14 ideas
from Allan Gibbard
14064
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If a statue is identical with the clay of which it is made, that identity is contingent
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14066
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A 'piece' of clay begins when its parts stick together, separately from other clay
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14067
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Clay and statue are two objects, which can be named and reasoned about
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14065
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Two identical things must share properties - including creation and destruction times
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14070
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A particular statue has sortal persistence conditions, so its origin defines it
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14069
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We can only investigate the identity once we have designated it as 'statue' or as 'clay'
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14071
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Naming a thing in the actual world also invokes some persistence criteria
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14072
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Possible worlds identity needs a sortal
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14073
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Claims on contingent identity seem to violate Leibniz's Law
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14074
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Leibniz's Law isn't just about substitutivity, because it must involve properties and relations
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14076
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Essentialism is the existence of a definite answer as to whether an entity fulfils a condition
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14077
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Essentialism for concreta is false, since they can come apart under two concepts
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14078
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Only concepts, not individuals, can be the same across possible worlds
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14079
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Kripke's semantics needs lots of intuitions about which properties are essential
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