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Single Idea 14925
[filed under theme 8. Modes of Existence / A. Relations / 2. Internal Relations
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Full Idea
The idea that there could be relations which do not supervene on the properties of their relata runs counter to a deeply entrenched way of thinking.
Gist of Idea
The normal assumption is that relations depend on properties of the relata
Source
J Ladyman / D Ross (Every Thing Must Go [2007], 3.4)
Book Ref
Ladyman,J/Ross,D: 'Every Thing Must Go' [OUP 2007], p.148
A Reaction
Ladyman and Ross are trying to defend the idea of 'structure' which is independent of the objects that occupy the nodes of the structure. Tricky.
The
15 ideas
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[relations as intrinsic features of the things that are related]:
21347
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If Simmias is taller than Socrates, that isn't a feature that is just in Simmias
[Plato]
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22080
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The nature of each category relates itself to another
[Hegel]
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6422
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Internal relations are said to be intrinsic properties of two terms, and of the whole they compose
[Bradley, by Russell]
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7966
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Relations must be linked to their qualities, but that implies an infinite regress of relations
[Bradley]
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21342
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A relation is internal if two things possessing the relation could not fail to be related
[Moore,GE, by Heil]
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7968
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A relation is internal if it is unthinkable that its object should not possess it
[Wittgenstein]
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7969
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The order of numbers is an internal relation, not an external one
[Wittgenstein]
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21351
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Truthmaking is a clear example of an internal relation
[Heil]
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21344
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If R internally relates a and b, and you have a and b, you thereby have R
[Heil]
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21348
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In the case of 5 and 6, their relational truthmaker is just the numbers
[Heil]
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18532
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If causal relations are power manifestations, that makes them internal relations
[Heil]
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21353
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Internal relations are fixed by existences, or characters, or supervenience on characters
[MacBride]
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7938
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Relational properties are clearly not essential to substances
[Macdonald,C]
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14925
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The normal assumption is that relations depend on properties of the relata
[Ladyman/Ross]
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18336
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Internal relations depend either on the existence of the relata, or on their properties
[Rami]
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