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Single Idea 14925

[filed under theme 8. Modes of Existence / A. Relations / 2. Internal Relations ]

Full Idea

The idea that there could be relations which do not supervene on the properties of their relata runs counter to a deeply entrenched way of thinking.

Gist of Idea

The normal assumption is that relations depend on properties of the relata

Source

J Ladyman / D Ross (Every Thing Must Go [2007], 3.4)

Book Ref

Ladyman,J/Ross,D: 'Every Thing Must Go' [OUP 2007], p.148

A Reaction

Ladyman and Ross are trying to defend the idea of 'structure' which is independent of the objects that occupy the nodes of the structure. Tricky.

The 15 ideas with the same theme [relations as intrinsic features of the things that are related]:

21347 If Simmias is taller than Socrates, that isn't a feature that is just in Simmias [Plato]
22080 The nature of each category relates itself to another [Hegel]
6422 Internal relations are said to be intrinsic properties of two terms, and of the whole they compose [Bradley, by Russell]
7966 Relations must be linked to their qualities, but that implies an infinite regress of relations [Bradley]
21342 A relation is internal if two things possessing the relation could not fail to be related [Moore,GE, by Heil]
7968 A relation is internal if it is unthinkable that its object should not possess it [Wittgenstein]
7969 The order of numbers is an internal relation, not an external one [Wittgenstein]
21351 Truthmaking is a clear example of an internal relation [Heil]
21344 If R internally relates a and b, and you have a and b, you thereby have R [Heil]
21348 In the case of 5 and 6, their relational truthmaker is just the numbers [Heil]
18532 If causal relations are power manifestations, that makes them internal relations [Heil]
21353 Internal relations are fixed by existences, or characters, or supervenience on characters [MacBride]
7938 Relational properties are clearly not essential to substances [Macdonald,C]
14925 The normal assumption is that relations depend on properties of the relata [Ladyman/Ross]
18336 Internal relations depend either on the existence of the relata, or on their properties [Rami]