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Single Idea 15244

[filed under theme 12. Knowledge Sources / B. Perception / 4. Sense Data / d. Sense-data problems ]

Full Idea

It seems clear that we are never presented with a quality except of some object.

Gist of Idea

We experience qualities as of objects, not on their own

Source

Harré,R./Madden,E.H. (Causal Powers [1975], 3.II)

Book Ref

Harré,R/Madden,E.H.: 'Causal Powers: A Theory of Natural Necessity' [Blackwell 1975], p.55

A Reaction

I'm not convinced that that 'seems clear'. The idea of sense-data is that while it seems to be of an object, reason suggests that the experience of the quality must precede the object assembled thereby. How do you arbitrate?

The 19 ideas with the same theme [difficulties with the concept of sense-data]:

6476 We cannot assume that the subject actually exists, so we cannot distinguish sensations from sense-data [Russell]
8854 My 'acquaintance' with sense-data is nothing like my knowing New York [Williams,M on Russell]
6458 Individuating sense-data is difficult, because they divide when closely attended to [Russell]
6469 Sense-data may be subjective, if closing our eyes can change them [Russell]
15580 There are no raw sense-data - our experiences are of the sound or colour of something [Heidegger]
18729 Part of what we mean by stating the facts is the way we tend to experience them [Wittgenstein]
6501 As sense-data are necessarily private, they are attacked by Wittgenstein's objections [Wittgenstein, by Robinson,H]
6493 We are not conscious of pure liquidity, but of the liquidity of water [Firth]
21686 Sense-data are dubious abstractions, with none of the plausibility of tables [Quine]
15819 Do sense-data have structure, location, weight, and constituting matter? [Chisholm]
3296 Sense-data are a false objectification of what is essentially subjective [Nagel]
15244 We experience qualities as of objects, not on their own [Harré/Madden]
7639 The Homunculus Fallacy explains a subject perceiving objects by repeating the problem internally [Evans]
3581 Sense data can't give us knowledge if they are non-propositional [Williams,M]
6505 Sense-data are rejected because they are a veil between us and reality, leading to scepticism [Robinson,H]
4101 If we smell something we are aware of the smell separately, but we don't perceive a 'look' when we see [Crane]
4102 The problems of perception disappear if it is a relation to an intentional state, not to an object or sense datum [Crane]
6639 The 'disjunctive' theory of perception says true perceptions and hallucinations need have nothing in common [Lowe]
4720 Sense-data are only safe from scepticism if they are primitive and unconceptualised [O'Grady]