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Single Idea 15481
[filed under theme 9. Objects / C. Structure of Objects / 7. Substratum
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Full Idea
I favour the old idea of substratum: the haver of properties not itself had as a property. Space-time might itself be the bearer of properties, not itself borne as a property.
Gist of Idea
I favour the idea of a substratum for properties; spacetime seems to be just a bearer of properties
Source
C.B. Martin (The Mind in Nature [2008], 04.6)
Book Ref
Martin,C.B.: 'The Mind in Nature' [OUP 2008], p.44
A Reaction
A very nice idea. The choice is between saying either that fundamentals like space-time and physical fields are the propertyless bearers of properties, or that they purely consist of properties (so properties are fundamental, not substrata).
Related Idea
Idea 15482
We can't think of space-time as empty and propertyless, and it seems to be a substratum [Martin,CB]
The
22 ideas
with the same theme
[an object's underlying aspect, apart from surface features]:
10962
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It is unclear whether Aristotle believes in a propertyless subject, his 'ultimate matter'
[Aristotle, by Lawson-Tancred]
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10942
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If you extract all features of the object, what is left over?
[Aristotle]
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16575
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Something must pre-exist any new production
[Aristotle]
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16142
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A substrate is either a 'this' supporting qualities, or 'matter' supporting actuality
[Aristotle]
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16103
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A subject can't be nothing, so it must qualify as separate, and as having a distinct identity
[Aristotle, by Gill,ML]
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16631
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If we remove surface qualities from wax, we have an extended, flexible, changeable thing
[Descartes]
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12559
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Complex ideas are collections of qualities we attach to an unknown substratum
[Locke]
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12968
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A 'substratum' is just a metaphor for whatever supports several predicates
[Leibniz]
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15814
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A peach is sweet and fuzzy, but it doesn't 'have' those qualities
[Chisholm]
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15481
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I favour the idea of a substratum for properties; spacetime seems to be just a bearer of properties
[Martin,CB]
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15264
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The notorious substratum results from substance-with-qualities; individuals-with-powers solves this
[Harré/Madden]
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11969
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Models nicely separate particulars from their clothing, and logicians often accept that metaphysically
[Kaplan]
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12764
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For the bare particular view, properties must be features, not just groups of objects
[Stalnaker]
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16407
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Possible worlds allow separating all the properties, without hitting a bare particular
[Stalnaker]
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7929
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A substance is either a bundle of properties, or a bare substratum, or an essence
[Macdonald,C]
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7941
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Each substance contains a non-property, which is its substratum or bare particular
[Macdonald,C]
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7942
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The substratum theory explains the unity of substances, and their survival through change
[Macdonald,C]
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7943
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A substratum has the quality of being bare, and they are useless because indiscernible
[Macdonald,C]
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16584
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If a substrate gives causal support for change, quite a lot of the ingredients must endure
[Pasnau]
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16579
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There may be different types of substrate, or temporary substrates
[Pasnau]
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16580
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A substrate may be 'prime matter', which endures through every change
[Pasnau]
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16596
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A substratum can't be 'bare', because it has a job to do
[Pasnau]
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