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Single Idea 16020

[filed under theme 9. Objects / F. Identity among Objects / 2. Defining Identity ]

Full Idea

There is no condition in a first-order language for a predicate to express identity, rather than indiscernibility within the resources of the language. Leibniz's Law is statable in a second-order language, so identity can be uniquely characterised.

Gist of Idea

Identity can only be characterised in a second-order language

Source

Harold Noonan (Identity [2009], §2)

Book Ref

'Stanford Online Encyclopaedia of Philosophy', ed/tr. Stanford University [plato.stanford.edu], p.4


A Reaction

The point is that first-order languages only refer to all objects, but you need to refer to all properties to include Leibniz's Law. Quine's 'Identity, Ostension and Hypostasis' is the source of this idea.

Related Ideas

Idea 16014 It is controversial whether only 'numerical identity' allows two things to be counted as one [Noonan]

Idea 11095 We should just identify any items which are indiscernible within a given discourse [Quine]


The 14 ideas with the same theme [whether identity can be defined - and how]:

You can't define identity by same predicates, because two objects with same predicates is assertable [Wittgenstein]
We can paraphrase 'x=y' as a sequence of the form 'if Fx then Fy' [Quine]
Substitutivity won't fix identity, because expressions may be substitutable, but not refer at all [Marcus (Barcan)]
Content is replaceable if identical, so replaceability can't define identity [Dummett, by Dummett]
Frege introduced criteria for identity, but thought defining identity was circular [Dummett]
The formal properties of identity are reflexivity and Leibniz's Law [Wiggins]
Leibniz's Law (not transitivity, symmetry, reflexivity) marks what is peculiar to identity [Wiggins]
Identity cannot be defined, because definitions are identities [Wiggins]
Identity is primitive [Wiggins]
Problems about identity can't even be formulated without the concept of identity [Noonan]
Identity is usually defined as the equivalence relation satisfying Leibniz's Law [Noonan]
Identity definitions (such as self-identity, or the smallest equivalence relation) are usually circular [Noonan]
Identity can only be characterised in a second-order language [Noonan]
Identity is as basic as any concept could ever be [McGinn]