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Single Idea 16058

[filed under theme 9. Objects / B. Unity of Objects / 3. Unity Problems / b. Cat and its tail ]

Full Idea

If two individuals occupied one substance …let one individual (Dion) be thought of as whole-limbed, the other (Theon) as minus one foot. Then let one of Dion's feet be amputated. Theon is the stronger candidate to have perished.

Gist of Idea

Dion and Theon coexist, but Theon lacks a foot. If Dion loses a foot, he ousts Theon?

Source

report of Chrysippus (fragments/reports [c.240 BCE]) by Philo (Alex) - On the Eternity of the World 48

Book Ref

'The Hellenistic Philosophers:Vol.1 translations', ed/tr. Long,A. /Sedley,D. [CUP 1987], p.171


A Reaction

[SVF 2.397 - from Chrysippus's lost 'On the Growing Argument'] This is the original of Tibbles the Cat. Dion must persist to change, and then ousts Theon (it seems). Philo protests at Theon ceasing to exist when nothing has happened to him.

Related Idea

Idea 16059 Change of matter doesn't destroy identity - in Dion and Theon change is a condition of identity [Chrysippus, by Long/Sedley]


The 8 ideas with the same theme [objects contained within other objects]:

Dion and Theon coexist, but Theon lacks a foot. If Dion loses a foot, he ousts Theon? [Chrysippus, by Philo of Alexandria]
If cats are vague, we deny that the many cats are one, or deny that the one cat is many [Lewis]
Tib goes out of existence when the tail is lost, because Tib was never the 'cat' [Burke,M, by Sider]
A CAR and its major PART can become identical, yet seem to have different properties [Gallois]
If Tib is all of Tibbles bar her tail, when Tibbles loses her tail, two different things become one [Sider]
Are sortals spatially maximal - so no cat part is allowed to be a cat? [Hawley]
Does Tibbles remain the same cat when it loses its tail? [Simons]
Tibbles isn't Tib-plus-tail, because Tibbles can survive its loss, but the sum can't [Simons]