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Single Idea 16237
[filed under theme 9. Objects / B. Unity of Objects / 3. Unity Problems / c. Statue and clay
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Full Idea
It is difficult to establish a consensus about the modal features of the statue and the lump. Could that statue be made of a different lump? Could that statue of Goliath have been spherical? Not a realistic statue of Goliath, but still the same statue?
Gist of Idea
The modal features of statue and lump are disputed; when does it stop being that statue?
Source
Katherine Hawley (How Things Persist [2001], 6)
Book Ref
Hawley,Katherine: 'How Things Persist' [OUP 2004], p.177
A Reaction
The problem is with a wild wacky sculptor, who might say it is a statue of Goliath no matter what shape the lump takes. 'Goliath had a spherical character'. Sometimes we will say (pace Evans) it is 'roughly identical' to the original statue.
The
38 ideas
with the same theme
[united objects with separate aspects]:
10951
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The statue is not called 'stone' but 'stoney'
[Aristotle]
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16085
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Primary matter and form make a unity, one in potentiality, the other in actuality
[Aristotle]
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16096
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Statues depend on their bronze, but bronze doesn't depend on statues
[Aristotle, by Gill,ML]
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16174
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A nature is related to a substance as shapeless matter is to something which has a shape
[Aristotle]
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17643
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Shape is essential relative to 'statue', but not essential relative to 'clay'
[Putnam]
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17513
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If there are two objects, then 'that marble, man-shaped object' is ambiguous
[Ayers]
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14064
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If a statue is identical with the clay of which it is made, that identity is contingent
[Gibbard]
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14066
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A 'piece' of clay begins when its parts stick together, separately from other clay
[Gibbard]
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14067
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Clay and statue are two objects, which can be named and reasoned about
[Gibbard]
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14069
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We can only investigate the identity once we have designated it as 'statue' or as 'clay'
[Gibbard]
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17562
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The statue and lump seem to share parts, but the statue is not part of the lump
[Inwagen]
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17574
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If you knead clay you make an infinite series of objects, but they are rearrangements, not creations
[Inwagen]
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16071
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Sculpting a lump of clay destroys one object, and replaces it with another one
[Burke,M, by Wasserman]
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16234
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Burke says when two object coincide, one of them is destroyed in the process
[Burke,M, by Hawley]
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13278
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Maybe the clay becomes a different lump when it becomes a statue
[Burke,M, by Koslicki]
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13383
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If the statue is loved and the clay hated, that is about the object first qua statue, then qua clay
[Jubien]
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13400
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If one entity is an object, a statue, and some clay, these come apart in at least three ways
[Jubien]
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14381
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A statue is essentially the statue, but its lump is not essentially a statue, so statue isn't lump
[Yablo, by Rocca]
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7047
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Statues and bronze lumps have discernible differences, so can't be identical
[Heil]
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7048
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Do we reduce statues to bronze, or eliminate statues, or allow statues and bronze?
[Heil]
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16078
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Clay is intrinsically and atomically the same as statue (and that lacks 'modal properties')
[Rudder Baker]
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16077
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The clay is not a statue - it borrows that property from the statue it constitutes
[Rudder Baker]
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16546
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The essence of a bronze statue shows that it could be made of different bronze
[Lowe]
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16545
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The essence of lumps and statues shows that two objects coincide but are numerically distinct
[Lowe]
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4204
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Statues can't survive much change to their shape, unlike lumps of bronze, which must retain material
[Lowe]
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14752
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Artists 'create' statues because they are essentially statues, and so lack identity with the lump of clay
[Sider]
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16237
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The modal features of statue and lump are disputed; when does it stop being that statue?
[Hawley]
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16238
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Perdurantists can adopt counterpart theory, to explain modal differences of identical part-sums
[Hawley]
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6137
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Clay does not 'constitute' a statue, as they have different persistence conditions (flaking, squashing)
[Merricks]
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13798
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Maybe we should give up the statue
[Elder]
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7948
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A statue and its matter have different persistence conditions, so they are not identical
[Macdonald,C]
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14497
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The clay is just a part of the statue (its matter); the rest consists of its form or structure
[Koslicki]
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13280
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Statue and clay differ in modal and temporal properties, and in constitution
[Koslicki]
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18060
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We can explain the statue/clay problem by a category mistake with a false premise
[Magidor]
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14482
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If the statue and the lump are two objects, they require separate properties, so we could add their masses
[Thomasson]
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14483
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Given the similarity of statue and lump, what could possibly ground their modal properties?
[Thomasson]
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14542
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If statue and clay fall and crush someone, the event is not overdetermined
[Mumford/Anjum]
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16769
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If clay survives destruction of the statue, the statue wasn't a substance, but a mere accident
[Pasnau]
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