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Single Idea 1631

[filed under theme 19. Language / F. Communication / 6. Interpreting Language / b. Indeterminate translation ]

Full Idea

We could know the necessary and sufficient stimulatory conditions of every possible act of utterance, in a foreign language, and still not know how to determine what objects the speakers of that language believe in.

Gist of Idea

You could know the complete behavioural conditions for a foreign language, and still not know their beliefs

Source

Willard Quine (Speaking of Objects [1960], pt.III,p.11)

Book Ref

Quine,Willard: 'Ontological Relativity and Other Essays' [Columbia 1969], p.11


A Reaction

I just don't believe this, because the same scepticism then creeps into discussions of native speakers of a single language, and all communcation is blighted - which is nonsense.


The 7 ideas from 'Speaking of Objects'

"No entity without identity" - our ontology must contain items with settled identity conditions [Quine, by Melia]
Our conceptual scheme becomes more powerful when we posit abstract objects [Quine]
There is no proper identity concept for properties, and it is hard to distinguish one from two [Quine]
I prefer 'no object without identity' to Quine's 'no entity without identity' [Lowe on Quine]
We can only see an alien language in terms of our own thought structures (e.g. physical/abstract) [Quine]
You could know the complete behavioural conditions for a foreign language, and still not know their beliefs [Quine]
Translation of our remote past or language could be as problematic as alien languages [Quine]