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Single Idea 16498

[filed under theme 9. Objects / F. Identity among Objects / 2. Defining Identity ]

Full Idea

Since any definition is an identity, identity itself cannot be defined.

Gist of Idea

Identity cannot be defined, because definitions are identities

Source

David Wiggins (Sameness and Substance [1980], 1.2 n7)

Book Ref

Wiggins,David: 'Sameness and Substance' [Blackwell 1980], p.21


A Reaction

This sounds too good to be true! I can't think of an objection, so, okay, identity cannot possibly be defined. We can give synonyms for it, I suppose. [Wrong, says Rumfitt! Definitions can also be equivalences!]

Related Idea

Idea 9585 Since every definition is an equation, one cannot define equality itself [Frege]


The 14 ideas with the same theme [whether identity can be defined - and how]:

You can't define identity by same predicates, because two objects with same predicates is assertable [Wittgenstein]
We can paraphrase 'x=y' as a sequence of the form 'if Fx then Fy' [Quine]
Substitutivity won't fix identity, because expressions may be substitutable, but not refer at all [Marcus (Barcan)]
Content is replaceable if identical, so replaceability can't define identity [Dummett, by Dummett]
Frege introduced criteria for identity, but thought defining identity was circular [Dummett]
The formal properties of identity are reflexivity and Leibniz's Law [Wiggins]
Leibniz's Law (not transitivity, symmetry, reflexivity) marks what is peculiar to identity [Wiggins]
Identity cannot be defined, because definitions are identities [Wiggins]
Identity is primitive [Wiggins]
Problems about identity can't even be formulated without the concept of identity [Noonan]
Identity is usually defined as the equivalence relation satisfying Leibniz's Law [Noonan]
Identity definitions (such as self-identity, or the smallest equivalence relation) are usually circular [Noonan]
Identity can only be characterised in a second-order language [Noonan]
Identity is as basic as any concept could ever be [McGinn]