more from this thinker     |     more from this text


Single Idea 16499

[filed under theme 9. Objects / E. Objects over Time / 7. Intermittent Objects ]

Full Idea

We can say of Hume's church that the present church is the same 'church' as the old parish church but not the same 'building' or the same 'stonework' as the old parish church.

Gist of Idea

A restored church is the same 'church', but not the same 'building' or 'brickwork'

Source

David Wiggins (Sameness and Substance [1980], 1.5)

Book Ref

Wiggins,David: 'Sameness and Substance' [Blackwell 1980], p.29


A Reaction

Unconvinced. This seems to make a 'church' into an abstraction, which might even exist in the absence of any building. And it seems to identify a building with its stonework. Wiggins yearns for a neat solution, but it ain't here.


The 8 ideas with the same theme [objects which cease, and then return to existence]:

One thing cannot have two beginnings of existence, nor two things one beginning [Locke]
If a ruined church is rebuilt, its relation to its parish makes it the same church [Hume]
Intermittence is seen in a toy fort, which is dismantled then rebuilt with the same bricks [Chisholm, by Simons]
A restored church is the same 'church', but not the same 'building' or 'brickwork' [Wiggins]
A thing begins only once; for a clock, it is when its making is first completed [Wiggins]
When an electron 'leaps' to another orbit, is the new one the same electron? [Inwagen]
Intermittent objects would be respectable if they occurred in nature, as well as in artefacts [Simons]
Objects like chess games, with gaps in them, are thereby less unified [Simons]