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Single Idea 1665

[filed under theme 23. Ethics / C. Virtue Theory / 4. External Goods / a. External goods ]

Full Idea

Those who say that a man who is being tortured and has suffered terrible calamities is happy if he is a good man are willy-nilly talking nonsense.

Clarification

'Happy' is the Greek word 'eudaimon', also sometimes translated as 'flourishing'

Gist of Idea

It is nonsense to say a good person is happy even if they are being tortured or suffering disaster

Source

Aristotle (Nicomachean Ethics [c.334 BCE], 1153b19)

Book Ref

Vlastos,Gregory: 'Socrates: Ironist and Moral Philosopher' [CUP 1992], p.224


A Reaction

Someone expressed this extreme idea, and the Stoics sympathised with it. Happiness is life going well. Making a supreme sacrifice for an enormous good seems like life going well.


The 8 ideas with the same theme [role of luck and possessions in the good life]:

The fine deeds required for happiness need external resources, like friends or wealth [Aristotle]
A man can't be happy if he is ugly, or of low birth, or alone and childless [Aristotle]
It is nonsense to say a good person is happy even if they are being tortured or suffering disaster [Aristotle]
Goods in the soul are more worthy than those outside it, as everybody wants them [Aristotle]
A wise man would be happy even under torture [Epicurus, by Diog. Laertius]
Stoics do not despise external goods, but subject them to reason, and not to desire [Taylor,R on Stoic school]
Crafts like music and letters are virtuous conditions, and they accord with virtue [Stoic school, by Stobaeus]
Nothing bad can happen to a good man [Seneca]