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Single Idea 17516

[filed under theme 6. Mathematics / A. Nature of Mathematics / 4. Using Numbers / d. Counting via concepts ]

Full Idea

If we accepted that counting objects always presupposes some sortal, it is surely clear that the class of objects to be counted could be designated by two sortals rather than one.

Gist of Idea

If counting needs a sortal, what of things which fall under two sortals?

Source

M.R. Ayers (Individuals without Sortals [1974], 'Realist' vii)

Book Ref

-: 'Canadian Journal of Philosophy' [-], p.131


A Reaction

His nice example is an object which is both 'a single piece of wool' and a 'sweater', which had better not be counted twice. Wiggins struggles to argue that there is always one 'substance sortal' which predominates.

Related Idea

Idea 17517 Could the same matter have more than one form or principle of unity? [Ayers]


The 12 ideas with the same theme [grouping by concept for counting]:

Our concepts decide what is countable, as in seeing the leaves of the tree, or the foliage [Frege, by Koslicki]
Frege's 'isolation' could be absence of overlap, or drawing conceptual boundaries [Frege, by Koslicki]
Non-arbitrary division means that what falls under the concept cannot be divided into more of the same [Frege, by Koslicki]
A concept creating a unit must isolate and unify what falls under it [Frege]
Frege says counting is determining what number belongs to a given concept [Frege, by Koslicki]
Are 'word token' and 'word type' different sorts of countable objects, or two ways of counting? [Geach, by Perry]
Counting 'coin in this box' may have coin as the unit, with 'in this box' merely as the scope [Ayers]
If counting needs a sortal, what of things which fall under two sortals? [Ayers]
Maybe the concept needed under which things coincide must also yield a principle of counting [Wiggins]
The sortal needed for identities may not always be sufficient to support counting [Wiggins]
Instances of a non-sortal concept can only be counted relative to a sortal concept [Wright,C]
We struggle to count branches and waves because our concepts lack clear boundaries [Koslicki]