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Single Idea 18336

[filed under theme 8. Modes of Existence / A. Relations / 2. Internal Relations ]

Full Idea

An internal relation is 'existential' if x and y relate in that way whenever they both exist. An internal relation is 'qualitative' if x and y relate in that way whenever they have certain intrinsic properties.

Gist of Idea

Internal relations depend either on the existence of the relata, or on their properties

Source

Adolph Rami (Introduction: Truth and Truth-Making [2009], 05)

Book Ref

'Truth and Truth-Making', ed/tr. Lowe,E.J./Rami,A. [Acumen 2009], p.8

A Reaction

[compressed - Rami likes to write these things in fashionable quasi-algebra, but I have a strong prejudice in this database for expressing ideas in English; call me old-fashioned] The distinction strikes me as simplistic. I would involve dispositions.

The 15 ideas with the same theme [relations as intrinsic features of the things that are related]:

21347 If Simmias is taller than Socrates, that isn't a feature that is just in Simmias [Plato]
22080 The nature of each category relates itself to another [Hegel]
6422 Internal relations are said to be intrinsic properties of two terms, and of the whole they compose [Bradley, by Russell]
7966 Relations must be linked to their qualities, but that implies an infinite regress of relations [Bradley]
21342 A relation is internal if two things possessing the relation could not fail to be related [Moore,GE, by Heil]
7968 A relation is internal if it is unthinkable that its object should not possess it [Wittgenstein]
7969 The order of numbers is an internal relation, not an external one [Wittgenstein]
21351 Truthmaking is a clear example of an internal relation [Heil]
21344 If R internally relates a and b, and you have a and b, you thereby have R [Heil]
21348 In the case of 5 and 6, their relational truthmaker is just the numbers [Heil]
18532 If causal relations are power manifestations, that makes them internal relations [Heil]
21353 Internal relations are fixed by existences, or characters, or supervenience on characters [MacBride]
7938 Relational properties are clearly not essential to substances [Macdonald,C]
14925 The normal assumption is that relations depend on properties of the relata [Ladyman/Ross]
18336 Internal relations depend either on the existence of the relata, or on their properties [Rami]