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Single Idea 19625

[filed under theme 25. Social Practice / E. Policies / 2. Religion in Society ]

Full Idea

To belong to a church uncertain of its god - after once imposing that god by fire and sword - should be the ideal of every detached mind.

Gist of Idea

The ideal is to impose a religion by force, and then live in doubt about its beliefs

Source

E.M. Cioran (A Short History of Decay [1949], 1 'Felicity')

Book Ref

Cioran,E.M.: 'A Short History of Decay', ed/tr. Howard,Richard [Penguin 2010], p.84


A Reaction

I'm trying hard to think of an adequate response to this. I'll get back to you....


The 22 ideas with the same theme [relative roles of a government and a people's religion]:

The whole state should pay for the worship of the gods [Aristotle]
All legislators invoke God in support of extraordinary laws, because their justification is not obvious [Machiavelli]
Rulers should preserve the foundations of religion, to ensure good behaviour and unity [Machiavelli]
Machiavelli emancipated politics from religion [Machiavelli, by Watson]
Only when working people are poor do they remain obedient to God [Calvin, by Weber]
If fear of unknown powers is legal it is religion, if it is illegal it is superstition [Hobbes]
State and religious law can clash, so the state must make decisions about religion [Spinoza]
The clergy are essential to a monarchy, but dangerous in a republic [Montesquieu]
Religion has the most influence in despotic states, and reinforces veneration for the ruler [Montesquieu]
French slavery was accepted because it was the best method of religious conversion [Montesquieu]
Religion can support the state when the law fails to do so [Montesquieu]
By separating theological and political systems, Jesus caused divisions in the state [Rousseau]
Civil religion needs one supreme god, an afterlife, justice, and the sanctity of the social contract [Rousseau]
All religions should be tolerated, if they tolerate each other, and support citizenship [Rousseau]
Every society has a religion as its base [Rousseau]
The church has a political role, by offering a supreme power over people [Kant]
The ideal is to impose a religion by force, and then live in doubt about its beliefs [Cioran]
For Enlightenment philosophers, God was no longer involved in politics [Badiou]
Any establishment belief system is incompatible with full respect for all citizens [Nussbaum]
The case for religious liberty depends on the religion contributing to a morally good life [Sandel]
Religious toleration has been institutionalised by the separation of church and state [Shorten]
If minority views are accepted in debate, then religious views must be accepted [Tuckness/Wolf]