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Single Idea 20478

[filed under theme 2. Reason / C. Styles of Reason / 2. Elenchus ]

Full Idea

They collect someone's opinions together during the discussion, put them side by side, and show that they conflict with each other at the same time on the same subjects.... The person sees this, gets angry at themselves, and calmer towards others.

Gist of Idea

In discussion a person's opinions are shown to be in conflict, leading to calm self-criticism

Source

Plato (The Sophist [c.359 BCE], 230b)

Book Ref

Plato: 'Complete Works', ed/tr. Cooper,John M. [Hackett 1997], p.250


A Reaction

He goes on to say that the process is like a doctor purging a patient of internal harms. If anyone talks for long enough (even a good philosopher), their opinions will probably be seen to be in conflict. But which opinions do you abandon?


The 8 ideas with the same theme [Socrates' use of interrogation for philosophy]:

In Socratic dialogue you must say what you believe, so unasserted premises are not debated [Vlastos on Socrates]
Socrates was pleased if his mistakes were proved wrong [Socrates]
The method of Socrates shows the student is discovering the truth within himself [Socrates, by Carlisle]
Socrates always proceeded in argument by general agreement at each stage [Socrates, by Xenophon]
In "Gorgias" Socrates is confident that his 'elenchus' will decide moral truth [Vlastos on Plato]
We should test one another, by asking and answering questions [Plato]
You must never go against what you actually believe [Plato]
In discussion a person's opinions are shown to be in conflict, leading to calm self-criticism [Plato]