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Single Idea 20818

[filed under theme 27. Natural Reality / D. Time / 3. Parts of Time / e. Present moment ]

Full Idea

Stoics do not allow a minimal time to exist, and do not want to have a partless 'now'; so what one thinks one has grasped as present is in part future and in part past.

Gist of Idea

The present does not exist, so our immediate experience is actually part past and part future

Source

report of Chrysippus (fragments/reports [c.240 BCE]) by Plutarch - On Common Conceptions 1081c

Book Ref

'The Stoics Reader', ed/tr. Inwood,B/Gerson,L.P. [Hackett 2008], p.87


A Reaction

[from lost On Parts Bk3-5] I agree with the ontology here, but I take our grasp of the present to be very short-term memory of the past. I ignore special relativity. Chrysippus expressed two views about this; in the other one he was a Presentist.

Related Ideas

Idea 20819 The past and the future subsist, but only the present exists [Chrysippus, by Plutarch]

Idea 20821 Time is continous and infinitely divisible, so there cannot be a wholly present time [Chrysippus, by Stobaeus]


The 13 ideas with the same theme [nature of the present moment of time]:

We can't tell whether the changing present moment is one thing, or a succession of things [Aristotle]
The present moment is a link (of past to future), and also a limit (of past and of future) [Aristotle]
The present does not exist, so our immediate experience is actually part past and part future [Chrysippus, by Plutarch]
Time is continous and infinitely divisible, so there cannot be a wholly present time [Chrysippus, by Stobaeus]
Socrates either dies when he exists (before his death) or when he doesn't (after his death) [Sext.Empiricus]
If the present is just the limit of the past or the future, it can't exist because they don't exist [Sext.Empiricus]
We could be aware of time if senses briefly vibrated, extending their experience of movement [Russell, by Bardon]
In relativity the length of the 'present moment' is relative to distance from the observer [Heisenberg]
The pure present moment is too brief to be experienced [Armstrong]
The present is the collapse of the light wavefront from the Big Bang [Ellis]
If time is infinitely divisible, then the present must be infinitely short [Le Poidevin]
The moving spotlight says entities can have properties of being present, past or future [Baron/Miller]
The present moment is a matter of existence, not of acquiring a property [Baron/Miller]