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Single Idea 20835

[filed under theme 16. Persons / F. Free Will / 6. Determinism / a. Determinism ]

Full Idea

Chrysippus's accounts of possibility and fate are in conflict. If he is right that 'everything that permits of occurring even if it is not going to occur is possible', then many things are possible which are not according to fate.

Gist of Idea

Chrysippus is wrong to believe in non-occurring future possibilities if he is a fatalist

Source

comment on Chrysippus (fragments/reports [c.240 BCE]) by Plutarch - 70: Stoic Self-contradictions 1055e

Book Ref

'The Stoics Reader', ed/tr. Inwood,B/Gerson,L.P. [Hackett 2008], p.104

A Reaction

A palpable hit, I think. Plutarch refers to Chrysippus's rejection of Diodorus Cronus's Master Argument. Fatalism seems to entail that the only future possibilities are the ones that actually occur.

Related Idea

Idea 20832 The Master Argument seems to prove that only what will happen is possible [Diod.Cronus, by Epictetus]

The 30 ideas with the same theme [natural causes have no room for free will]:

21670 Democritus said atoms only move by their natural motions, which are therefore necessary [Democritus, by Cicero]
6033 Democritus said everything happens of necessity, by natural motion of atoms [Democritus, by Cicero]
5088 Some say there is a determinate cause for every apparently spontaneous event [Democritus, by Aristotle]
330 No one wants to be bad, but bad men result from physical and educational failures, which they do not want or choose [Plato]
14521 If everything is by necessity, then even denials of necessity are by necessity [Epicurus]
1770 When a slave said 'It was fated that I should steal', Zeno replied 'Yes, and that you should be beaten' [Zeno of Citium, by Diog. Laertius]
3799 A dog tied to a cart either chooses to follow and is pulled, or it is just pulled [Zeno of Citium, by Hippolytus]
20835 Chrysippus is wrong to believe in non-occurring future possibilities if he is a fatalist [Plutarch on Chrysippus]
20808 Everything is fated, either by continuous causes or by a supreme rational principle [Chrysippus, by Diog. Laertius]
21391 Some actions are within our power; determinism needs prior causes for everything - so it is false [Carneades, by Cicero]
6029 Whoever knows future causes knows everything that will be [Cicero]
20875 If we could foresee the future, we should collaborate with disease and death [Epictetus]
5982 If the future does not exist, how can prophets see it? [Augustine]
5769 Does foreknowledge cause necessity, or necessity cause foreknowledge? [Boethius]
5768 God's universal foreknowledge seems opposed to free will [Boethius]
4311 We think we are free because we don't know the causes of our desires and choices [Spinoza]
7828 The actual world is the only one God could have created [Spinoza]
2119 People argue for God's free will, but it isn't needed if God acts in perfection following supreme reason [Leibniz]
7841 We think we are free because the causes of the will are unknown; determinism is a false problem [Leibniz]
3441 If a supreme intellect knew all atoms and movements, it could know all of the past and the future [Laplace]
21477 We don't control our own thinking [Schopenhauer]
4170 Man's actions are not free, because they follow strictly from impact of motive on character [Schopenhauer]
20231 People used to think that outcomes were from God, rather than consequences of acts [Nietzsche]
23210 That all events are necessary does not mean they are compelled [Nietzsche]
8352 To believe in determinism, one must believe in a system which determines events [Anscombe]
22371 Determinism threatens free will if actions can be causally traced to external factors [Foot]
8424 Determinism says there can't be two identical worlds up to a time, with identical laws, which then differ [Lewis]
3892 Every event having a cause, and every event being determined by its cause, are not the same [Scruton]
14939 Two versions of quantum theory say that the world is deterministic [Ladyman/Ross]
12410 There once was a man who said 'Damn!... [Sommers,W]