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Single Idea 20836

[filed under theme 16. Persons / F. Free Will / 6. Determinism / b. Fate ]

Full Idea

Chrysippus responded to the Lazy Argument (that the outcome of an illness is fated, so there is no point in calling the doctor) by saying 'calling the doctor is fated just as much as recovering', which he calls 'co-fated'.

Gist of Idea

The Lazy Argument responds to fate with 'why bother?', but the bothering is also fated

Source

report of Chrysippus (fragments/reports [c.240 BCE]) by M. Tullius Cicero - On Fate ('De fato') 28-30

Book Ref

'The Stoics Reader', ed/tr. Inwood,B/Gerson,L.P. [Hackett 2008], p.106


A Reaction

From a pragmatic point of view, this idea also nullifies fatalism, since you can plausibly fight against your fate to your last breath. No evidence could ever be offered in support of fatalism, not even the most unlikely events.


The 11 ideas with the same theme [our own efforts are made pointless by determinism]:

Sooner follow mythology, than accept the 'fate' of natural philosophers [Epicurus]
The Lazy Argument responds to fate with 'why bother?', but the bothering is also fated [Chrysippus, by Cicero]
Fate is an eternal and fixed chain of causal events [Chrysippus]
When we say events are fated by antecedent causes, do we mean principal or auxiliary causes? [Chrysippus]
The nearest to ancient determinism is Stoic fate, but that is controlled by a sympathetic God [Stoic school, by Frede,M]
Even Apollo can only foretell the future when it is naturally necessary [Carneades, by Cicero]
If I know I am fated to be ill, I should want to be ill [Epictetus]
Sloth's Syllogism: either it can't happen, or it is inevitable without my effort [Leibniz]
I have perfected fatalism, as recurrence and denial of the will [Nietzsche]
Fate is inspiring, if you understand you are part of it [Nietzsche]
The human heart has a tiresome tendency to label as fate only what crushes it [Camus]