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Single Idea 20970
[filed under theme 26. Natural Theory / D. Laws of Nature / 10. Closure of Physics
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Full Idea
We can accept determinism without accepting physical determinism, and so without accepting the completeness of physics. ...We can have a deterministic model in which sui generis mental forces play an essential role.
Clarification
'sui generis' means of their own type - not reducible
Gist of Idea
Determinism is possible without a complete physics, if mental forces play a role
Source
David Papineau (Thinking about Consciousness [2002], App 3)
Book Ref
Papineau,David: 'Thinking about Consciousness' [OUP 2004], p.240
A Reaction
Papineau cites (on p.241) the 18th century biologist Robert Whytt as an example of this view.
The
39 ideas
from 'Thinking about Consciousness'
7890
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Maybe a creature is conscious if its mental states represent things in a distinct way
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7884
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Most reductive accounts of representation imply broad content
[Papineau]
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7850
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Thinking about a thing doesn't require activating it
[Papineau]
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7853
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Causation is based on either events, or facts, or states of affairs
[Papineau]
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7852
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The only serious mind-brain theories now are identity, token identity, realization and supervenience
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7851
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Consciousness affects bodily movement, so thoughts must be material states
[Papineau]
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7854
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Whether octopuses feel pain is unclear, because our phenomenal concepts are too vague
[Papineau]
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7856
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It is absurd to think that physical effects are caused twice, so conscious causes must be physical
[Papineau]
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7857
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Causes are instantiations of properties by particulars, or they are themselves basic particulars
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7858
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If causes are basic particulars, this doesn't make conscious and physical properties identical
[Papineau]
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7860
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The epiphenomenal relation of mind and brain is a 'causal dangler', unlike anything else
[Papineau]
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7862
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Maybe minds do not cause actions, but do cause us to report our decisions
[Papineau]
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7863
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If content hinges on matters outside of you, how can it causally influence your actions?
[Papineau]
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7864
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Maybe mind and body do overdetermine acts, but are linked (for some reason)
[Papineau]
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7865
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Supervenience can be replaced by identifying mind with higher-order or disjunctional properties
[Papineau]
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7866
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Mary acquires new concepts; she previously thought about the same property using material concepts
[Papineau]
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7869
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Truth conditions in possible worlds can't handle statements about impossibilities
[Papineau]
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7868
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Thought content is possible worlds that make the thought true; if that includes the actual world, it's true
[Papineau]
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7870
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Role concepts either name the realising property, or the higher property constituting the role
[Papineau]
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7871
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Perceptual concepts can't just refer to what causes classification
[Papineau]
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7872
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Teleosemantics equates meaning with the item the concept is intended to track
[Papineau]
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7873
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Young children can see that other individuals sometimes have false beliefs
[Papineau]
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7874
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Do we understand other minds by simulation-theory, or by theory-theory?
[Papineau]
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7879
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Mind-brain reduction is less explanatory, because phenomenal concepts lack causal roles
[Papineau]
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7881
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Accept ontological monism, but conceptual dualism; we think in a different way about phenomenal thought
[Papineau]
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7882
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Researching phenomenal consciousness is peculiar, because the concepts involved are peculiar
[Papineau]
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7883
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Verificationists tend to infer indefinite answers from undecidable questions
[Papineau]
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7885
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The 'actualist' HOT theory says consciousness comes from actual higher judgements of mental states
[Papineau]
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7886
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Actualist HOT theories imply that a non-conscious mental event could become conscious when remembered
[Papineau]
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7887
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States are conscious if they could be the subject of higher-order mental judgements
[Papineau]
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7888
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Higher-order judgements may be possible where the subject denies having been conscious
[Papineau]
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7889
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Our concept of consciousness is crude, and lacks theoretical articulation
[Papineau]
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7891
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We can’t decide what 'conscious' means, so it is undecidable whether cats are conscious
[Papineau]
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20974
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Modern biological research, especially into the cell, has revealed no special new natural forces
[Papineau]
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20975
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Quantum 'wave collapses' seem to violate conservation of energy
[Papineau]
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20970
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Determinism is possible without a complete physics, if mental forces play a role
[Papineau]
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20971
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Weak reduction of mind is to physical causes; strong reduction is also to physical laws
[Papineau]
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20976
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The completeness of physics cannot be proved
[Papineau]
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7892
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The completeness of physics is needed for mind-brain identity
[Papineau]
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