more on this theme     |     more from this thinker

Single Idea 21347

[filed under theme 8. Modes of Existence / A. Relations / 2. Internal Relations ]

Full Idea

When you say Simmias is taller than Socrates but shorter than Phaedo, so you mean there is in Simmias both tallness and shortness? - I do. ...But surely he is not taller than Socrates because he is Simmias but because of the tallness he happens to have?

Gist of Idea

If Simmias is taller than Socrates, that isn't a feature that is just in Simmias

Source

Plato (Phaedo [c.374 BCE], 102b-c)

Book Ref

Plato: 'Complete Works', ed/tr. Cooper,John M. [Hackett 1997], p.88

A Reaction

He adds that both people must be cited. This appears to be what we now call a rejection relative height as an 'internal' relation, which is it would presumably be if it was a feature of one or of both men.

Related Idea

Idea 21349 Two people are indirectly related by height; the direct relation is internal, between properties [Heil]

The 25 ideas from 'Phaedo'

16516 The ship which Theseus took to Crete is now sent to Delos crowned with flowers [Plato]
350 In investigation the body leads us astray, but the soul gets a clear view of the facts [Plato]
9343 To achieve pure knowledge, we must get rid of the body and contemplate things with the soul [Plato]
351 War aims at the acquisition of wealth, because we are enslaved to the body [Plato]
354 Wisdom makes virtue and true goodness possible [Plato]
357 People are obviously recollecting when they react to a geometrical diagram [Plato]
359 If we feel the inadequacy of a resemblance, we must recollect the original [Plato]
360 We must have a prior knowledge of equality, if we see 'equal' things and realise they fall short of it [Plato]
361 It is a mistake to think that the most violent pleasure or pain is therefore the truest reality [Plato]
362 The greatest misfortune for a person is to develop a dislike for argument [Plato]
363 Whether the soul pre-exists our body depends on whether it contains the ultimate standard of reality [Plato]
364 One soul can't be more or less of a soul than another [Plato]
13154 Do we think and experience with blood, air or fire, or could it be our brain? [Plato]
13155 If you add one to one, which one becomes two, or do they both become two? [Plato]
15859 To investigate the causes of things, study what is best for them [Plato]
13156 Fancy being unable to distinguish a cause from its necessary background conditions! [Plato]
1 There is only one source for all beauty [Plato]
24227 One and one can only become two by sharing in Twoness [Plato]
368 Other things are named after the Forms because they participate in them [Plato]
21347 If Simmias is taller than Socrates, that isn't a feature that is just in Simmias [Plato]
369 If the Earth is spherical and in the centre, it is kept in place by universal symmetry, not by force [Plato]
370 Philosophy is a purification of the soul ready for the afterlife [Plato]
24230 The Forms arise whenever we talk of something 'in itself'. [Plato]
24225 Things like the Equal and the Beautiful, which are real, must be unchanging [Plato]
24226 The soul on its own enters a pure, unchanging and eternal realm, and experiences wisdom [Plato]