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Single Idea 22604

[filed under theme 25. Social Practice / D. Justice / 3. Punishment / a. Right to punish ]

Full Idea

You should ask 'Ought not this man to be put to death, who is deceived in things of the greatest importance, and is blinded in distinguishing good from evil?' …You then see how inhuman it is, and the same as 'Ought not this blind man to be put to death?'

Gist of Idea

Punishing a criminal for moral ignorance is the same as punishing someone for being blind

Source

Epictetus (The Discourses [c.56], 1.18.6-7)

Book Ref

Epictetus: 'The Discourses, The Handbook, Fragments', ed/tr. Gill,C [Everyman 1995], p.44

A Reaction

This is the doctrine of Socrates, that evil is ignorance (and weakness of will [akrasia] is impossible). Epictetus wants us to reason with the man, but what should be do if reasoning fails and he persists in his crimes?

The 21 ideas with the same theme [what grounds the right of the state to punish]:

22604 Punishing a criminal for moral ignorance is the same as punishing someone for being blind [Epictetus]
23368 Perhaps we should persuade culprits that their punishment is just? [Epictetus]
7294 No crime and no punishment without a law [Roman law]
23268 We execute irredeemable people, to protect ourselves, as a deterrent, and ending a bad life [Galen]
2380 Punishment should only be for reform or deterrence [Hobbes]
19867 Reparation and restraint are the only justifications for punishment [Locke]
19869 Punishment should make crime a bad bargain, leading to repentance and deterrence [Locke]
19912 Self-defence is natural, but not the punishment of superiors by inferiors [Locke]
12936 There are natural rewards and punishments, like illness after over-indulgence [Leibniz]
20002 The death penalty is permissible, because its victims enjoyed the protection of that law [Montesquieu]
20010 If religion teaches determinism, penalties must be severe; if free will, then that is different [Montesquieu]
19809 We accept the death penalty to prevent assassinations, so we must submit to it if necessary [Rousseau]
19810 A trial proves that a criminal has broken the social treaty, and is no longer a member of the state [Rousseau]
21088 Justice asserts the death penalty for murder, from a priori laws [Kant]
7219 Society can punish actions which it believes to be prejudicial to others [Mill]
20232 Get rid of the idea of punishment! It is a noxious weed! [Nietzsche]
24098 Reasons that justify punishment can also justify the crime [Nietzsche]
14814 Execution is worse than murder, because we are using the victim, and really we are the guilty [Nietzsche]
23852 To punish people we must ourselves be innocent - but that undermines the desire to punish [Weil]
6572 Deterrence, prevention, rehabilitation and retribution can come into conflict in punishments [Fogelin]
6573 Retributivists say a crime can be 'paid for'; deterrentists still worry about potential victims [Fogelin]