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Single Idea 22740

[filed under theme 28. God / B. Proving God / 2. Proofs of Reason / b. Ontological Proof critique ]

Full Idea

If the Divine exists it either has or has not virtue. If it has not it is base and unhappy, which is absurd. But if it has it, there will exist something which is better than God, just as a virtue of a horse is better than the horse itself.

Gist of Idea

God without virtue is absurd, but God's virtues will be better than God

Source

Sextus Empiricus (Against the Physicists (two books) [c.180], I.176)

Book Ref

Sextus Empiricus: 'Against the Physicists/Against the Ethicists', ed/tr. Bury,R.G. [Harvard Loeb 1997], p.91

A Reaction

It is obviously better to think of a virtue as some mode of a thing, rather than as a separate attachment. This is an ontological argument, because it is inferred from the concept of God.

The 20 ideas from 'Against the Physicists (two books)'

22728 Gods were invented as watchers of people's secret actions [Sext.Empiricus]
22730 All men agree that God is blessed, imperishable, happy and good [Sext.Empiricus]
22731 It is mad to think that what is useful to us, like lakes and rivers, are gods [Sext.Empiricus]
22732 The perfections of God were extrapolations from mankind [Sext.Empiricus]
22734 God is defended by agreement, order, absurdity of denying God, and refutations [Sext.Empiricus]
22735 The original substance lacked motion or shape, and was given these by a cause [Sext.Empiricus]
22736 God's sensations imply change, and hence perishing, which is absurd, so there is no such God [Sext.Empiricus]
22737 An incorporeal God could do nothing, and a bodily god would perish, so there is no God [Sext.Empiricus]
22738 The Divine must lack the virtues of continence and fortitude, because they are not needed [Sext.Empiricus]
22739 God must suffer to understand suffering [Sext.Empiricus]
22740 God without virtue is absurd, but God's virtues will be better than God [Sext.Empiricus]
22741 The incorporeal is not in the nature of body, and so could not emerge from it [Sext.Empiricus]
22742 Socrates either dies when he exists (before his death) or when he doesn't (after his death) [Sext.Empiricus]
22744 Parts are not parts if their whole is nothing more than the parts [Sext.Empiricus]
22746 If we try to conceive of a line with no breadth, it ceases to exist, and so has no length [Sext.Empiricus]
22747 A man walking backwards on a forwards-moving ship is moving in a fixed place [Sext.Empiricus]
22748 Some say motion is perceived by sense, but others say it is by intellect [Sext.Empiricus]
22749 Time doesn't end with the Universe, because tensed statements about destruction remain true [Sext.Empiricus]
22750 Time is divisible, into past, present and future [Sext.Empiricus]
22751 If the present is just the limit of the past or the future, it can't exist because they don't exist [Sext.Empiricus]