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Single Idea 22822
[filed under theme 24. Political Theory / D. Ideologies / 6. Liberalism / e. Liberal community
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Full Idea
Community and well-being are not specifically liberal values. They are values any independent political society must pursue whether it is a liberal society or not.
Gist of Idea
Liberals promote community and well-being - because all good societies need them
Source
John Charvet (Liberalism: the basics [2019], Intro)
Book Ref
Charvet,John: 'Liberalism: the basics' [Routledge 2019], p.-2
A Reaction
This seems, at a stroke, to undermine the familiar debate between liberals and communitarians. I've switched to the former from the latter, because communitarians is potentially too paternalistic and conservative. Persuade individuals to be communal!
The
27 ideas
from John Charvet
22821
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Liberalism asserts maximum freedom, but that must be equal for all participants
[Charvet]
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22822
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Liberals promote community and well-being - because all good societies need them
[Charvet]
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22825
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The 1689 Bill of Rights denied the monarch new courts, or the right to sit as judge
[Charvet]
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22828
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The rule of law mainly benefits those with property and liberties
[Charvet]
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22826
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From 1701 only parliament could remove judges, whose decisions could not be discussed
[Charvet]
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22823
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The rule of law is mainly to restrict governments
[Charvet]
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22827
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Justice superior to the rule of law is claimed on behalf of the workers, or the will of the nation
[Charvet]
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22829
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Allowing defamatory speech is against society's interests, by blurring which people are trustworthy
[Charvet]
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22830
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Give by ability and receive by need, rather than a free labour market
[Charvet]
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22831
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Modern libertarian societies still provide education and some housing
[Charvet]
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22832
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Welfare is needed if citizens are to accept the obligations of a liberal state
[Charvet]
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22834
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Egalitarian liberals prefer equality (either of input or outcome) to liberty
[Charvet]
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22835
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Liberals value freedom and equality, but the society itself must decide on its values
[Charvet]
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22836
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'Freedom from' is an empty idea, if the freedom is not from impediments to my desires
[Charvet]
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22837
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Positive freedom can lead to coercion, if you are forced to do what you chose to do
[Charvet]
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22839
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Liberalism needs people to either have equal autonomy, or everyone to have enough autonomy
[Charvet]
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22838
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Societies need shared values, so conservatism is right if rational discussion of values is impossible
[Charvet]
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22841
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Identity multiculturalism emerges from communitarianism, preferring community to humanity
[Charvet]
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22842
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For communitarians it seems that you must accept the culture you are born into
[Charvet]
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22840
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Mere equality, as in two trees being the same height, has no value at all
[Charvet]
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22843
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Inequalities are worse if they seem to be your fault, rather than social facts
[Charvet]
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22844
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First level autonomy is application of personal values; second level is criticising them
[Charvet]
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22845
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Money allows unlimited inequalities, and we obviously all agree to money
[Charvet]
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22846
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The universalism of utilitarianism implies a world state
[Charvet]
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22849
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Rawls's theory cannot justify liberalism, since it presupposes free and equal participants
[Charvet]
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22848
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People with strong prior beliefs would have nothing to do with a veil of ignorance
[Charvet]
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22847
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Kant places a higher value on the universal rational will than on the people asserting it
[Charvet]
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