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Single Idea 22848
[filed under theme 24. Political Theory / A. Basis of a State / 4. Original Position / b. Veil of ignorance
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Full Idea
Why would a group of people with strong beliefs (e.g. religious beliefs) agree to debate the problem of what norms should govern their association from behind a veil of ignorance? …They would not accept the veil of ignorance as fair.
Gist of Idea
People with strong prior beliefs would have nothing to do with a veil of ignorance
Source
John Charvet (Liberalism: the basics [2019], 14)
Book Ref
Charvet,John: 'Liberalism: the basics' [Routledge 2019], p.179
A Reaction
Nice. Rawls's experiment assumes liberal people with very few beliefs. No racial supremacist is going to enter a society in which they may be of a different race. Charvet says the entrants would all need to be pluralists about the good.
Related Idea
Idea 22849
Rawls's theory cannot justify liberalism, since it presupposes free and equal participants [Charvet]
The
27 ideas
from 'Liberalism: the basics'
22821
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Liberalism asserts maximum freedom, but that must be equal for all participants
[Charvet]
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22822
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Liberals promote community and well-being - because all good societies need them
[Charvet]
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22825
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The 1689 Bill of Rights denied the monarch new courts, or the right to sit as judge
[Charvet]
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22828
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The rule of law mainly benefits those with property and liberties
[Charvet]
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22826
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From 1701 only parliament could remove judges, whose decisions could not be discussed
[Charvet]
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22823
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The rule of law is mainly to restrict governments
[Charvet]
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22827
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Justice superior to the rule of law is claimed on behalf of the workers, or the will of the nation
[Charvet]
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22829
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Allowing defamatory speech is against society's interests, by blurring which people are trustworthy
[Charvet]
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22830
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Give by ability and receive by need, rather than a free labour market
[Charvet]
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22831
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Modern libertarian societies still provide education and some housing
[Charvet]
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22832
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Welfare is needed if citizens are to accept the obligations of a liberal state
[Charvet]
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22834
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Egalitarian liberals prefer equality (either of input or outcome) to liberty
[Charvet]
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22835
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Liberals value freedom and equality, but the society itself must decide on its values
[Charvet]
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22836
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'Freedom from' is an empty idea, if the freedom is not from impediments to my desires
[Charvet]
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22837
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Positive freedom can lead to coercion, if you are forced to do what you chose to do
[Charvet]
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22839
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Liberalism needs people to either have equal autonomy, or everyone to have enough autonomy
[Charvet]
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22838
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Societies need shared values, so conservatism is right if rational discussion of values is impossible
[Charvet]
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22841
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Identity multiculturalism emerges from communitarianism, preferring community to humanity
[Charvet]
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22842
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For communitarians it seems that you must accept the culture you are born into
[Charvet]
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22840
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Mere equality, as in two trees being the same height, has no value at all
[Charvet]
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22843
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Inequalities are worse if they seem to be your fault, rather than social facts
[Charvet]
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22844
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First level autonomy is application of personal values; second level is criticising them
[Charvet]
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22845
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Money allows unlimited inequalities, and we obviously all agree to money
[Charvet]
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22846
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The universalism of utilitarianism implies a world state
[Charvet]
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22849
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Rawls's theory cannot justify liberalism, since it presupposes free and equal participants
[Charvet]
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22848
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People with strong prior beliefs would have nothing to do with a veil of ignorance
[Charvet]
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22847
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Kant places a higher value on the universal rational will than on the people asserting it
[Charvet]
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