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Single Idea 23347

[filed under theme 16. Persons / F. Free Will / 6. Determinism / b. Fate ]

Full Idea

If I really knew that it was ordained for me to be ill at this moment, I would aspire to be so.

Gist of Idea

If I know I am fated to be ill, I should want to be ill

Source

Epictetus (The Discourses [c.56], 2.06.10)

Book Ref

Epictetus: 'The Discourses, The Handbook, Fragments', ed/tr. Gill,C [Everyman 1995], p.87


A Reaction

The rub, of course, is that it is presumably impossible to know what is fated. Book 2.7 is on divination. I don't see any good in a mortally ill person desiring, for that reason alone, to die. Rage against the dying of the light, I say.


The 11 ideas with the same theme [our own efforts are made pointless by determinism]:

Sooner follow mythology, than accept the 'fate' of natural philosophers [Epicurus]
The Lazy Argument responds to fate with 'why bother?', but the bothering is also fated [Chrysippus, by Cicero]
Fate is an eternal and fixed chain of causal events [Chrysippus]
When we say events are fated by antecedent causes, do we mean principal or auxiliary causes? [Chrysippus]
The nearest to ancient determinism is Stoic fate, but that is controlled by a sympathetic God [Stoic school, by Frede,M]
Even Apollo can only foretell the future when it is naturally necessary [Carneades, by Cicero]
If I know I am fated to be ill, I should want to be ill [Epictetus]
Sloth's Syllogism: either it can't happen, or it is inevitable without my effort [Leibniz]
I have perfected fatalism, as recurrence and denial of the will [Nietzsche]
Fate is inspiring, if you understand you are part of it [Nietzsche]
The human heart has a tiresome tendency to label as fate only what crushes it [Camus]