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[filed under theme 21. Aesthetics / A. Aesthetic Experience / 6. The Sublime ]

Full Idea

Whoever does to achieve the beautiful seeks the wildly sublime, because there even the ugly can show its 'beauty'. Likewise we seek the wildly sublime morality.

Gist of Idea

People who miss beauty seek the sublime, where even the ugly shows its 'beauty'

Source

Friedrich Nietzsche (Unpublished Notebooks 1881-82 [1882], 11[049])

Book Ref

Nietzsche,Friedrich: 'The Joyful Science, and 1881-82 fragments (v 6)', ed/tr. Del Caro,Adrian [Stanford 2023], p.321


A Reaction

Is the 'we' here Nietzsche, or the herd? The former, I guess, since some the values he likes seem rather ugly to me. He is a fan of war, for example. I'm guessing that massive destruction is sublime but ugly.


The 11 ideas with the same theme [the highest level of aesthetic experience]:

The mathematical sublime is immeasurable greatness; the dynamical sublime is overpowering [Kant, by Pinkard]
The sublime is a moral experience [Kant, by Gardner]
The Sublime fights for will-less knowing, when faced with a beautiful threat to humanity [Schopenhauer, by Lewis,PB]
People who miss beauty seek the sublime, where even the ugly shows its 'beauty' [Nietzsche]
The sublimity of nature which dwarfs us was a human creation [Nietzsche]
In life we neglect 'cosmic emotion', but it matters, and art brings it to the fore [Fry]
Visual form can create a sublime mental state [Bell,C]
Beauty is an attractive mystery, leaving nothing to be desired [Weil]
We morally dissolve if we spend time with excessive beauty [Cioran]
The sublime is negative in awareness of insignificance, and positive in showing understanding [Davies,S]
Accounts of sublimity differ over whether we learn something good about ourselves [Cochrane]