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Single Idea 4322
[filed under theme 22. Metaethics / C. The Good / 1. Goodness / f. Good as pleasure
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Full Idea
When we drink to quench thirst, we lose the distress of the thirst and the pleasure of drinking at the same moment, but one loss is good and the other bad, so the pleasure and the goodness must be separate.
Gist of Idea
In slaking our thirst the goodness of the action and the pleasure are clearly separate
Source
Plato (Gorgias [c.387 BCE], 497d)
Book Ref
Plato: 'Gorgias', ed/tr. Waterfield,Robin [OUP World's Classics 1994], p.88
A Reaction
This is open to the objection that the good of slaking one's thirst is a long-term pleasure, where the drinking is short-term, so pleasure is still the good.
The
16 ideas
with the same theme
[pleasure is the main good in life]:
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415
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If happiness is bodily pleasure, then oxen are happy when they have vetch to eat
[Heraclitus]
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1537
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Happiness is identifying and separating the pleasures
[Democritus, by Stobaeus]
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4322
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In slaking our thirst the goodness of the action and the pleasure are clearly separate
[Plato]
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136
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Good should be the aim of pleasant activity, not the other way round
[Plato]
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2070
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Even people who think pleasure is the good admit that there are bad pleasures
[Plato]
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94
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Pleasure is better with the addition of intelligence, so pleasure is not the good
[Plato, by Aristotle]
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23
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The masses believe, not unreasonably, that the good is pleasure
[Aristotle]
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5269
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Pleasure is not the Good, and not every pleasure is desirable
[Aristotle]
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1833
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Pleasure is the first good in life
[Epicurus]
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14057
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All pleasures are good, but it is not always right to choose them
[Epicurus]
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14058
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Pleasure is the goal, but as lack of pain and calm mind, not as depraved or greedy pleasure
[Epicurus]
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1840
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Pleasure is the chief good because it is the most natural, especially for animals
[Epicurus, by Diog. Laertius]
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1777
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Pleasure is not the good, because there are disgraceful pleasures
[Chrysippus, by Diog. Laertius]
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5973
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Justice can be preserved if pleasure is a good, but not if it is the goal
[Chrysippus, by Plutarch]
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21870
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Music is good for a melancholic, bad for a mourner, and indifferent to the deaf
[Spinoza]
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3256
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Pain doesn't have a further property of badness; it gives a reason for its avoidance
[Nagel]
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