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Single Idea 4472
[filed under theme 8. Modes of Existence / D. Universals / 6. Platonic Forms / a. Platonic Forms
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Full Idea
Four arguments for Platonism: 1) there are truths about redness (it's a colour) even if nothing red exists, 2) redness does not depend on particulars, 3) most universals are at some time not exemplified, 4) universals satisfy the criteria of existence.
Gist of Idea
Redness is independent of red things, can do without them, has its own properties, and has identity
Source
J.P. Moreland (Universals [2001], Ch.6)
Book Ref
Moreland,J.P.: 'Universals' [Acumen 2001], p.131
A Reaction
This adds up to quite a good case, particularly the point that things can be said about redness which are independent of any particular, but the relationships between concepts and the brain seems at the heart of the problem.
The
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[Plato's separate reality of pure ideas]:
7996
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I am all the beauty and goodness of things, says Krishna
[Anon (Bhag)]
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1652
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Socrates did not consider universals or definitions as having separate existence, but Plato made Forms of them
[Socrates, by Aristotle]
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16151
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Plato moves from Forms to a theory of genera and principles in his later work
[Plato, by Frede,M]
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211
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If admirable things have Forms, maybe everything else does as well
[Plato]
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210
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It would be absurd to think there were abstract Forms for vile things like hair, mud and dirt
[Plato]
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219
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If absolute ideas existed in us, they would cease to be absolute
[Plato]
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220
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The concept of a master includes the concept of a slave
[Plato]
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228
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Greatness and smallness must exist, to be opposed to one another, and come into being in things
[Plato]
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360
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We must have a prior knowledge of equality, if we see 'equal' things and realise they fall short of it
[Plato]
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154
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We would have an overpowering love of knowledge if we had a pure idea of it - as with the other Forms
[Plato]
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5094
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Plato's Forms are said to have no location in space
[Plato, by Aristotle]
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12043
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Forms are not universals, as they don't cover every general term
[Plato, by Annas]
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2159
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Craftsmen making furniture refer to the form, but no one manufactures the form of furniture
[Plato]
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16122
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Good thinkers spot forms spread through things, or included within some larger form
[Plato]
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The not-beautiful is part of the beautiful, though opposed to it, and is just as real
[Plato]
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1607
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Diotima said the Forms are the objects of desire in philosophical discourse
[Plato, by Roochnik]
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12042
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Plato's Forms were seen as part of physics, rather than of metaphysics
[Plato, by Annas]
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307
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Something will always be well-made if the maker keeps in mind the eternal underlying pattern
[Plato]
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318
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In addition to the underlying unchanging model and a changing copy of it, there must also be a foundation of all change
[Plato]
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321
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For knowledge and true opinion to be different there must be Forms; otherwise we are just stuck with sensations
[Plato]
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3039
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When Diogenes said he could only see objects but not their forms, Plato said it was because he had eyes but no intellect
[Plato, by Diog. Laertius]
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Plato's Forms meant that the sophists only taught the appearance of wisdom and virtue
[Plato, by Nehamas]
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Platonists argue for the indivisible triangle-in-itself
[Plato, by Aristotle]
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10948
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Forms are said to be substances to which nothing is prior
[Aristotle]
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Forms are not a theory of universals, but an attempt to explain how predication is possible
[Nehamas]
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Redness is independent of red things, can do without them, has its own properties, and has identity
[Moreland]
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