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Single Idea 5098

[filed under theme 27. Natural Reality / C. Space / 5. Relational Space ]

Full Idea

Place must be one of four things: shape, or matter, or some kind of extension between the limits of the container, or the limits themselves. …The first three can evidently be ruled out…so it must be the limit of the containing body.

Gist of Idea

Place is not shape, or matter, or extension between limits; it is the limits of a body

Source

Aristotle (Physics [c.337 BCE], 211b06)

Book Ref

Aristotle: 'Physics', ed/tr. Waterfield,Robin [OUP 1996], p.86


A Reaction

As it stands this doesn't have much intuitive appeal. It is rather difficult to define a 'limit' without making some reference to 'space' and 'place'. One must read this chunk of Aristotle to see his drift.


The 8 ideas with the same theme [space as entirely the relations between objects]:

If everything is in a place, what is the place in? Place doesn't exist [Zeno of Elea, by Simplicius]
Place is not shape, or matter, or extension between limits; it is the limits of a body [Aristotle]
We can locate the parts of the universe, but not the whole thing [Locke]
Space is an order among actual and possible things [Leibniz]
Relational space is problematic if you take the idea of a field seriously [Field,H]
For relationists moving an object beyond the edge of space creates new space [Le Poidevin]
If space is entirely relational, what makes a boundary, or a place unoccupied by physical objects? [Lowe]
'Space' in physics just means location [Hesketh]