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Single Idea 5100

[filed under theme 27. Natural Reality / C. Space / 1. Void ]

Full Idea

There is no need for void to be the cause of all change, because it is perfectly possible for a plenum to alter qualitatively (which is something Melissus overlooked).

Clarification

'Void' is total emptiness; a 'plenum' is a smooth, continuous background

Gist of Idea

The void is not required for change, because a plenum can alter in quality

Source

comment on Melissus (fragments/reports [c.443 BCE]) by Aristotle - Physics 214a27

Book Ref

Aristotle: 'Physics', ed/tr. Waterfield,Robin [OUP 1996], p.94


A Reaction

In modern physics this presumably gives us fluctuations in a force field. Motion is like a cat being digested by a python. The atomist claim that emptiness is needed if anything is to move still has intuitive appeal.


The 8 ideas with the same theme [volumes of the Cosmos containing nothing]:

The void can't exist, and without the void there can't be movement or separation [Parmenides, by Aristotle]
The void is not required for change, because a plenum can alter in quality [Aristotle on Melissus]
Democritus is wrong: in a void we wouldn't see a distant ant in exact detail [Aristotle on Democritus]
Movement is impossible in a void, because nothing can decide the direction of movement [Aristotle on Democritus]
Growth and movement would not exist if there were no void to receive them [Democritus]
Void is a kind of place, so it can't explain place [Aristotle]
The void cannot interact, but just gives the possibility of motion [Epicurus]
There is no void in the cosmos, but indefinite void outside it [Zeno of Citium, by Ps-Plutarch]