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Single Idea 5796

[filed under theme 17. Mind and Body / E. Mind as Physical / 7. Anti-Physicalism / a. Physicalism critique ]

Full Idea

You could say that tree-rings contain information about the age of a tree, but you could as well say that the age of a tree in years contains information about the number of rings in a tree stump. ..'Information' is not a real causal feature of the world.

Gist of Idea

If tree rings contain information about age, then age contains information about rings

Source

John Searle (The Mystery of Consciousness [1997], Concl 2.5)

Book Ref

Searle,John R.: 'The Mystery of Consciousness' [Granta 1997], p.206


A Reaction

A nice point for fans of 'information' to ponder. However, you cannot deny the causal connection between the age and the rings. Information has a subjective aspect, but you cannot, for example, eliminate the role of DNA in making organisms.


The 13 ideas from 'The Mystery of Consciousness'

A property is 'emergent' if it is caused by elements of a system, when the elements lack the property [Searle]
A system is either conscious or it isn't, though the intensity varies a lot [Searle]
The use of 'qualia' seems to imply that consciousness and qualia are separate [Searle]
I now think syntax is not in the physics, but in the eye of the beholder [Searle]
There is non-event causation between mind and brain, as between a table and its solidity [Searle]
Explanation of how we unify our mental stimuli into a single experience is the 'binding problem' [Searle]
Reduction is either by elimination, or by explanation [Searle]
Consciousness has a first-person ontology, which only exists from a subjective viewpoint [Searle]
Eliminative reduction needs a gap between appearance and reality, as in sunsets [Searle]
Consciousness has a first-person ontology, so it cannot be reduced without omitting something [Searle]
If tree rings contain information about age, then age contains information about rings [Searle]
The pattern of molecules in the sea is much more complex than the complexity of brain neurons [Searle]
There isn't one consciousness (information-processing) which can be investigated, and another (phenomenal) which can't [Searle]