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Single Idea 5973
[filed under theme 22. Metaethics / C. The Good / 1. Goodness / f. Good as pleasure
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Full Idea
Chrysippus thinks that, while justice could not be preserved if one should set up pleasure as the goal, it could be if one should take pleasure to be not a goal but simply a good.
Gist of Idea
Justice can be preserved if pleasure is a good, but not if it is the goal
Source
report of Chrysippus (fragments/reports [c.240 BCE], fr 23) by Plutarch - 72: Against Stoics on common Conceptions 1070d
Book Ref
Plutarch: 'Moralia - vol 13 part 2', ed/tr. Cherniss,Harold [Harvard Loeb 1993], p.747
A Reaction
This is an interesting and original contribution to the ancient debate about pleasure. It shows Aristotle's moderate criticism of pleasure (e.g. Idea 84), but attempts to pinpoint where the danger is. Aristotle says it thwarts achievement of the mean.
The
16 ideas
with the same theme
[pleasure is the main good in life]:
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415
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If happiness is bodily pleasure, then oxen are happy when they have vetch to eat
[Heraclitus]
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1537
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Happiness is identifying and separating the pleasures
[Democritus, by Stobaeus]
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4322
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In slaking our thirst the goodness of the action and the pleasure are clearly separate
[Plato]
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136
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Good should be the aim of pleasant activity, not the other way round
[Plato]
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2070
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Even people who think pleasure is the good admit that there are bad pleasures
[Plato]
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94
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Pleasure is better with the addition of intelligence, so pleasure is not the good
[Plato, by Aristotle]
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23
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The masses believe, not unreasonably, that the good is pleasure
[Aristotle]
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5269
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Pleasure is not the Good, and not every pleasure is desirable
[Aristotle]
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1833
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Pleasure is the first good in life
[Epicurus]
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14057
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All pleasures are good, but it is not always right to choose them
[Epicurus]
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14058
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Pleasure is the goal, but as lack of pain and calm mind, not as depraved or greedy pleasure
[Epicurus]
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1840
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Pleasure is the chief good because it is the most natural, especially for animals
[Epicurus, by Diog. Laertius]
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1777
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Pleasure is not the good, because there are disgraceful pleasures
[Chrysippus, by Diog. Laertius]
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5973
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Justice can be preserved if pleasure is a good, but not if it is the goal
[Chrysippus, by Plutarch]
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21870
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Music is good for a melancholic, bad for a mourner, and indifferent to the deaf
[Spinoza]
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3256
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Pain doesn't have a further property of badness; it gives a reason for its avoidance
[Nagel]
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