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Single Idea 6139
[filed under theme 16. Persons / D. Continuity of the Self / 2. Mental Continuity / c. Inadequacy of mental continuity
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Full Idea
Locke's thesis about persons implies that, whenever I have a thought, two thinkers have that thought: me and 'my' thinking substance.
Gist of Idea
Locke implies that each thought has two thinkers - me, and 'my' substance
Source
comment on John Locke (Essay Conc Human Understanding (2nd Ed) [1694]) by Trenton Merricks - Objects and Persons §2.IV
Book Ref
Merricks,Trenton: 'Objects and Persons' [OUP 2003], p.48
A Reaction
Although Locke asserts the existence of a distinct entity, the 'person', he is fairly vague about the ontology involved. Some have suggested that he is a functionalist, and we could say that the substance 'constitutes' the person.
The
20 ideas
with the same theme
[criticisms the Self as continuity of consciousness]:
6139
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Locke implies that each thought has two thinkers - me, and 'my' substance
[Merricks on Locke]
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5513
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Two persons might have qualitatively identical consciousnesses, so that isn't enough
[Kant on Locke]
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1345
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Locke's move from substance to consciousness is a slippery slope
[Butler on Locke]
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1197
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No two thoughts at different times can be the same, as they have different beginnings
[Locke]
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1364
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Locke confuses the test for personal identity with the thing itself
[Reid on Locke]
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12511
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If consciousness is interrupted, and we forget our past selves, are we still the same thinking thing?
[Locke]
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1361
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If identity is consciousness, could a person move between bodies or fragment into parts?
[Reid on Locke]
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21326
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Locke's memory theory of identity confuses personal identity with the test for it
[Reid on Locke]
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1387
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Butler thought Locke's theory was doomed once he rejected mental substance
[Perry on Locke]
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21314
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Consciousness presupposes personal identity, so it cannot constitute it
[Butler]
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21312
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Perceptions are distinct, so no connection between them can ever be discovered
[Hume]
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21321
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Memory reveals my past identity - but so does testimony of other witnesses
[Reid]
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21325
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Boy same as young man, young man same as old man, old man not boy, if forgotten!
[Reid]
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21324
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If consciousness is transferable 20 persons can be 1; forgetting implies 1 can be 20
[Reid]
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21327
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If a stolen horse is identified by similitude, its identity is not therefore merely similitude
[Reid]
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1366
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If consciousness is personal identity, it is continually changing
[Reid]
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21452
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I can only determine my existence in time via external things
[Kant]
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5582
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As balls communicate motion, so substances could communicate consciousness, but not retain identity
[Kant]
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5327
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Temporal gaps in the consciousness of a spirit could not be bridged by memories
[Ayer]
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1396
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We identify persons before identifying conscious states
[Carruthers]
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