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Single Idea 7398

[filed under theme 22. Metaethics / B. Value / 2. Values / i. Self-interest ]

Full Idea

Carneades argued forcefully that in the event of a shipwreck, the wise man would be prepared to seize the only plank capable of bearing him to shore, even if that meant pushing another person off it.

Gist of Idea

Carneades said that after a shipwreck a wise man would seize the only plank by force

Source

report of Carneades (fragments/reports [c.174 BCE]) by Richard Tuck - Hobbes Ch.1

Book Ref

Tuck,Richard: 'Hobbes: a very short introduction' [OUP 2002], p.10

A Reaction

[source for this?] This thought seems to have provoked great discussion in the sixteenth century (mostly sympathetic). I can't help thinking the right answer depends on assessing your rival. Die for a hero, drown a nasty fool.

The 18 ideas with the same theme [concern for ourselves, in the context of morality]:

128 Is it natural to simply indulge our selfish desires? [Plato]
12 If we were invisible, would the just man become like the unjust? [Plato]
2168 Clever criminals do well at first, but not in the long run [Plato]
3559 For Aristotle, true self-love is love of the higher parts of one's soul [Aristotle, by Annas]
5243 The best people exercise their virtue towards others, rather than to themselves [Aristotle]
92 Self-love benefits ourselves, and also helps others [Aristotle]
2810 Selfishness is wrong not because it is self-love, but because it is excessive [Aristotle]
7398 Carneades said that after a shipwreck a wise man would seize the only plank by force [Carneades, by Tuck]
13292 Selfishness does not produce happiness; to live for yourself, live for others [Seneca]
2370 All voluntary acts aim at some good for the doer [Hobbes]
7833 Spinoza names self-interest as the sole source of value [Spinoza, by Stewart,M]
6243 As death approaches, why do we still care about family, friends or country? [Hutcheson]
3650 Total selfishness is not irrational [Hume]
4183 Only self-love can motivate morality, but that also makes it worthless [Schopenhauer]
2886 The distinction between egoistic and non-egoistic acts is absurd [Nietzsche]
24135 Egoism should not assume that all egos are equal [Nietzsche]
7141 A living being is totally 'egoistic' [Nietzsche]
9760 Self-concern may be a source of pain, or a lack of self-respect, or a failure of responsibility [Korsgaard]