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Single Idea 7398

[filed under theme 22. Metaethics / B. Value / 2. Values / i. Self-interest ]

Full Idea

Carneades argued forcefully that in the event of a shipwreck, the wise man would be prepared to seize the only plank capable of bearing him to shore, even if that meant pushing another person off it.

Gist of Idea

Carneades said that after a shipwreck a wise man would seize the only plank by force

Source

report of Carneades (fragments/reports [c.174 BCE]) by Richard Tuck - Hobbes Ch.1

Book Ref

Tuck,Richard: 'Hobbes: a very short introduction' [OUP 2002], p.10


A Reaction

[source for this?] This thought seems to have provoked great discussion in the sixteenth century (mostly sympathetic). I can't help thinking the right answer depends on assessing your rival. Die for a hero, drown a nasty fool.


The 10 ideas from 'fragments/reports'

Carneades' pinnacles of philosophy are the basis of knowledge (the criterion of truth) and the end of appetite (good) [Carneades, by Cicero]
Future events are true if one day we will say 'this event is happening now' [Carneades]
We say future things are true that will possess actuality at some following time [Carneades, by Cicero]
Carneades distinguished logical from causal necessity, when talking of future events [Long on Carneades]
Voluntary motion is intrinsically within our power, and this power is its cause [Carneades, by Cicero]
Some actions are within our power; determinism needs prior causes for everything - so it is false [Carneades, by Cicero]
Even Apollo can only foretell the future when it is naturally necessary [Carneades, by Cicero]
Carneades said that after a shipwreck a wise man would seize the only plank by force [Carneades, by Tuck]
People change laws for advantage; either there is no justice, or it is a form of self-injury [Carneades, by Lactantius]
Carneades denied the transitivity of identity [Carneades, by Chisholm]