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Single Idea 8625

[filed under theme 4. Formal Logic / F. Set Theory ST / 7. Natural Sets ]

Full Idea

What in the world can be the observed fact, or the physical fact, which is asserted in the definition of the number 777864? ...What a pity that Mill did not also illustrate the physical facts underlying the numbers 0 and 1!

Gist of Idea

What physical facts could underlie 0 or 1, or very large numbers?

Source

comment on John Stuart Mill (System of Logic [1843]) by Gottlob Frege - Grundlagen der Arithmetik (Foundations) §7

Book Ref

Frege,Gottlob: 'The Foundations of Arithmetic (Austin)', ed/tr. Austin,J.L. [Blackwell 1980], p.9


A Reaction

I still think patterns could be an empirical foundation for arithmetic, though you still have to grasp the abstract concept of the pattern. An innate capacity to spot resemblance gets you a long way.


The 10 ideas with the same theme [which sets are natural, rather than conventional]:

What physical facts could underlie 0 or 1, or very large numbers? [Frege on Mill]
Russell's proposal was that only meaningful predicates have sets as their extensions [Russell, by Orenstein]
Russell's antinomy challenged the idea that any condition can produce a set [Quine]
A class is natural when everybody can spot further members of it [Quinton]
We can have a series with identical members [Tait]
Zermelo allows ur-elements, to enable the widespread application of set-theory [Hallett,M]
Maddy replaces pure sets with just objects and perceived sets of objects [Maddy, by Shapiro]
The master science is physical objects divided into sets [Maddy]
ZFU refers to the physical world, when it talks of 'urelements' [Chihara]
A flock of birds is not a set, because a set cannot go anywhere [Brown,JR]