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Single Idea 9828

[filed under theme 6. Mathematics / B. Foundations for Mathematics / 7. Mathematical Structuralism / e. Structuralism critique ]

Full Idea

The number 0 is not differentiated from 1 by its position in a progression, otherwise there would be no difference between starting with 0 and starting with 1. That is enough to show that numbers are not identifiable just as positions in structures.

Gist of Idea

Numbers aren't fixed by position in a structure; it won't tell you whether to start with 0 or 1

Source

Michael Dummett (Frege philosophy of mathematics [1991], Ch. 5)

Book Ref

Dummett,Michael: 'Frege: philosophy of mathematics' [Duckworth 1991], p.53


A Reaction

This sounds conclusive, but doesn't feel right. If numbers are a structure, then where you 'start' seems unimportant. Where do you 'start' in St Paul's Cathedral? Starting sounds like a constructivist concept for number theory.


The 27 ideas from 'Frege philosophy of mathematics'

Content is replaceable if identical, so replaceability can't define identity [Dummett, by Dummett]
There is no reason why abstraction by equivalence classes should be called 'logical' [Dummett, by Tait]
Why should the limit of measurement be points, not intervals? [Dummett]
Addition of quantities is prior to ordering, as shown in cyclic domains like angles [Dummett]
A prime number is one which is measured by a unit alone [Dummett]
A number is a multitude composed of units [Dummett]
In classical logic, logical truths are valid formulas; in higher-order logics they are purely logical [Dummett]
The identity of a number may be fixed by something outside structure - by counting [Dummett]
Numbers aren't fixed by position in a structure; it won't tell you whether to start with 0 or 1 [Dummett]
To abstract from spoons (to get the same number as the forks), the spoons must be indistinguishable too [Dummett]
Fregean semantics assumes a domain articulated into individual objects [Dummett]
Frege introduced criteria for identity, but thought defining identity was circular [Dummett]
A contextual definition permits the elimination of the expression by a substitution [Dummett]
We understand 'there are as many nuts as apples' as easily by pairing them as by counting them [Dummett]
Maybe a concept is 'prior' to another if it can be defined without the second concept [Dummett]
An argument for conceptual priority is greater simplicity in explanation [Dummett]
We arrive at the concept 'suicide' by comparing 'Cato killed Cato' with 'Brutus killed Brutus' [Dummett]
Realism is just the application of two-valued semantics to sentences [Dummett]
Abstract objects nowadays are those which are objective but not actual [Dummett]
It is absurd to deny the Equator, on the grounds that it lacks causal powers [Dummett]
'We've crossed the Equator' has truth-conditions, so accept the Equator - and it's an object [Dummett]
Abstract objects need the context principle, since they can't be encountered directly [Dummett]
Abstract terms are acceptable as long as we know how they function linguistically [Dummett]
Set theory isn't part of logic, and why reduce to something more complex? [Dummett]
The distinction of concrete/abstract, or actual/non-actual, is a scale, not a dichotomy [Dummett]
Nominalism assumes unmediated mental contact with objects [Dummett]
The existence of abstract objects is a pseudo-problem [Dummett]