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Single Idea 16999

[filed under theme 9. Objects / F. Identity among Objects / 9. Sameness ]

Full Idea

When the identity relation is vague, it may seem intransitive; a claim of apparent identity may yield an apparent non-identity. Some sort of 'counterpart' notion may have some utility here.

Gist of Idea

A vague identity may seem intransitive, and we might want to talk of 'counterparts'

Source

Saul A. Kripke (Naming and Necessity notes and addenda [1972], note 18)

Book Ref

Kripke,Saul: 'Naming and Necessity' [Blackwell 1980], p.51


A Reaction

He firmly rejects the full Lewis apparatus of counterparts. The idea would be that a river at different times had counterpart relations, not strict identity. I like the word 'same' for this situation. Most worldly 'identity' is intransitive.


The 9 ideas with the same theme [how we should understand two things being 'the same']:

'Same' is mainly for names or definitions, but also for propria, and for accidents [Aristotle]
Two identical things have the same accidents, they are the same; if the accidents differ, they're different [Aristotle]
Numerical sameness and generic sameness are not the same [Aristotle]
Things are the same if one can be substituted for the other without loss of truth [Leibniz]
A tree remains the same in the popular sense, but not in the strict philosophical sense [Butler]
There is 'loose' identity between things if their properties, or truths about them, might differ [Chisholm]
Being 'the same' is meaningless, unless we specify 'the same X' [Geach]
A vague identity may seem intransitive, and we might want to talk of 'counterparts' [Kripke]
We want to explain sameness as coincidence of substance, not as anything qualitative [Wiggins]