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Single Idea 181

[filed under theme 16. Persons / E. Rejecting the Self / 1. Self as Indeterminate ]

Full Idea

We retain identity not by staying the same (the preserve of gods) but by replacing losses with new similar acquisitions.

Gist of Idea

Only the gods stay unchanged; we replace our losses with similar acquisitions

Source

Plato (The Symposium [c.384 BCE], 208b)

Book Ref

Plato: 'The Symposium', ed/tr. Hamilton,W [Penguin 1951], p.89


A Reaction

Any modern student of personal identity should be intrigued by this remark! It appears to take a rather physical view of the matter, and to be aware of human biology as a process. Are my continuing desires token-identical, or just 'similar'?


The 6 ideas with the same theme [the self is in a continual state of change]:

We call a person the same throughout life, but all their attributes change [Plato]
Only the gods stay unchanged; we replace our losses with similar acquisitions [Plato]
Nothing about me is essential [Locke]
A 'person' is just one possible abstraction from a bundle of qualities [Nietzsche]
Bad theories of the self see it as abstract, or as a bundle, or as a process [Chisholm]
People consist of many undetermined lines, some rigid, some supple, some 'lines of flight' [Deleuze]