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28. God / A. Divine Nature / 6. Divine Morality / b. Euthyphro question

[which comes first - morality or God(s)?]

19 ideas
And God saw the light, that it was good [Anon (Tor)]
Socrates holds that right reason entails virtue, and this must also apply to the gods [Vlastos on Socrates]
Is what is pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because they love it? (the 'Euthyphro Question') [Plato]
It seems that the gods love things because they are pious, rather than making them pious by loving them [Plato]
I wonder whether loss of reverence for the gods would mean the end of all virtue [Cicero]
Pythagoreans believe it is absurd to seek for goodness anywhere except with the gods [Iamblichus]
Even without religion, there are many guides to morality [Bacon]
Moral principles have some validity without a God commanding obedience [Grotius, by Mautner]
If justice is arbitrary, or fixed but not observed, or not human justice, this undermines God [Leibniz]
For Shaftesbury, we must already have a conscience to be motivated to religious obedience [Shaftesbury, by Scruton]
Confucius shows that ethics can rest on reason, rather than on revelation [Wolff, by Korsgaard]
We don't accept duties as coming from God, but assume they are divine because they are duties [Kant]
We can only know we should obey God if we already have moral standards for judging God [Kant, by MacIntyre]
We judge God to be good by a priori standards of moral perfection [Kant]
Obligation does not rest on the existence of God, but on the autonomy of reason [Kant]
We must judge a thing morally to know if it conforms to God's will [Bentham]
A God needs justice, kindness and wisdom, but those concepts don't depend on the concept of God [Feuerbach]
If God's decrees are good, and this is not a mere tautology, then goodness is separate from God's decrees [Russell]
If people are virtuous in obedience to God, would they become wicked if they lost their faith? [Hursthouse]